Does seeing Izzy's ground work make you respect Conor more?

Conors grappling was always underrated. He has shit cardio, no hearth and the worst fans but his grappling is actually good.
 
Conor lacks cardio and some experience on the ground. He'd rather not be on his back.

Skillwise he's good. He tries for slick escapes and sweeps; he has a tight, defensive guard; he has nasty elbows from bottom; he can transition and scramble well; and Conor is capable of strong bursts of explosiveness to power out of bad spots.


Israel looked lost. He held on for dear life and hoped a bystander would intervene in his sexual assault.
 
HUM No...
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Conor has much better ground game than Izzy. Imagine what Khabib would do to Izzy if they were in the same weight class. Israel has Michael JOhnson level ground game
 
Nothing about that fight made me think of Conor in the slightest.
 
D 1 Wrestler said:
After watching izzy look helpless vs a non wrestler in Jan do you now respect Conor's ground game more? He also moved up in weight and fought one of the best grapplers and held his own, stuffing takedowns, taking minimal damage for the entirety of round 1 and even winning a round by keeping it standing. He also reversed accomplished black belt nate diaz and fought off multiple sub attempts before getting caught.
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Why would I be thinking about Conor at that point lol.
 
No, because aside from a handful of good striking moments, Khabib wasn't a good enough striker to scare Conor, who simply needed to stand back and defend the takedowns. Even though Khabib knocked Conor down, that wasn't exactly a true test of Khabib's striking ability as Conor has no offensive wrestling to make Khabib think twice before unloading bombs.

Dustin Poirier isn't a good grappler like Khabib, but since his striking was so versatile, Conor was confused enough where Dustin's first shot was successful. Styles make fights.

With Jan and Izzy, Izzy did not enjoy a great height advantage, so he had to be very careful about his range, combined with Jan's power, Izzy had all he could handle, but when Jan shot in, it simply was too much for Izzy to keep track of.

So no, Conor's ground game in retrospect isn't all that. He's not bad as people say, but again, look how Poirier "took him down" and drained his gas tank. Conor had some veteran grappling moves on display but Poirier was fighting to simply not get KO'ed and to make Conor use energy, hence he wasn't killing himself trying to tap out or positionally dominate Conor. It was a simple "If I can keep him down, good, if not, I'm not gonna kill myself trying, Conor will gas soon enough." Which did happen.
 
Conor has great balance to defend take downs and he's not an embarassement on the ground.

That said, don't know what Izzy's ground game has to do with it. They don't even share the same opponents...

Fighter A skills don't get better because Fighter B skills are not good.

That's like saying Jones will be able to KO the HWs because Dominick Cruz is pillow fisted.
 
D 1 Wrestler said:
After watching izzy look helpless vs a non wrestler in Jan do you now respect Conor's ground game more? He also moved up in weight and fought one of the best grapplers and held his own, stuffing takedowns, taking minimal damage for the entirety of round 1 and even winning a round by keeping it standing. He also reversed accomplished black belt nate diaz and fought off multiple sub attempts before getting caught.
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D 1 Wrestler said:
After watching izzy look helpless vs a non wrestler in Jan do you now respect Conor's ground game more? He also moved up in weight and fought one of the best grapplers and held his own, stuffing takedowns, taking minimal damage for the entirety of round 1 and even winning a round by keeping it standing. He also reversed accomplished black belt nate diaz and fought off multiple sub attempts before getting caught.
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lol wut?

Jan was stuck in either make space to throw strikes, but give Izzy room to escape. OR - hold on tight and give Izzy no room, but effectively do nothing.

Guess what happened for the entire 3 minutes he had Izzy down in round 4, and for most of the time he had Izzy down in round 5.

He only got confident enough to actually open up and throw strikes in the last 10 seconds.

If only you shertards would get out of your basements, even one BJJ class would give you somewhat of a clue what was happening there on the ground.
 
Does seeing Thiago Santos kick make you respect Carlos Netwon more?


I think it's relevant question too.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Conor lacks cardio and some experience on the ground. He'd rather not be on his back.

Skillwise he's good. He tries for slick escapes and sweeps; he has a tight, defensive guard; he has nasty elbows from bottom; he can transition and scramble well; and Conor is capable of strong bursts of explosiveness to power out of bad spots.


Israel looked lost. He held on for dear life and hoped a bystander would intervene in his sexual assault.
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And yet Israel survived while Conor has had to beg the ref to stop his sexual assault multiple times
 
Bluntforce420 said:
And yet Israel survived while Conor has had to beg the ref to stop his sexual assault multiple times
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Riiiiiight, because Khabib/Nate are similar in skill as grapplers to Jan.

I don't like either Conor or Izzy, but Conor is way, way, way better a grappler than Izzy by every metric you could measure.
 
D 1 Wrestler said:
Yes because jan is a striker who laid on Izzy while khabib and diaz are grappling wizards
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Dude if Conor and Izzy met at Openweight at ADCC I'd put money on Conor for sure. Size difference be damned.

Izzy has a long way to go to be mentioned with other all time greats. At this point, a gameplanning Rich Franklin would beat Izzy easily.
 
D 1 Wrestler said:
Burns is a grappler though and two classes up. What striker is taking conor down and holding him there ? Everyone said izzy is made for LHW and fought up in kickboxing. Now he's too small?
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Two classes up? LMAO.
 
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