Social Does multiculturalism actually work if you remove hardcore Islam from the equation?

[TheMaster]

I'm trying to assess, on a global scale regards Western nations, is the issue multiculturalism in general or specifically with Islam? Are there notable problems with integration of other cultural groups?

I also think that moderate or non-practicing Muslims are fine, but it seems you cannot separate the large segment who have no desire to integrate.

 

[fungi]

No, it doesn't.
Removing islam is not enough.
There are other religious and cultural issues hindering coexistence of human individuals.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Multiculturalism works at global level. It's nice to have different cultures as long as they're at country level. The moment you forcefully mix culturally different populations, it's a recipe for long term trouble.

This obsession with diversity is culturally destructive and will be judged as such in the future.

 

[PulsingJones]

Ask yourself why jews fled from Europe

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

No. See Putnams study for example

 

[Cherry Brigand]

3500ish years ago, God said this about Ishmael (the Patriarch of all Islam), 2100ish years before the founding of Islam:

He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers...

But even if you take Islam out of the equation, men will never live in peace because the hearts of men are deceitful above all things due to sin... multiculturalism or no.

 

[Two Crows]

I'm not trying to be funny, but what is a non-practicing Muslim?

Someone who truly believes is it is God's will to stay halal ... but simply chooses not to? Wouldn't they still believe sins were sins, and all those that committed them were to be frowned upon?

It's not an ethnic categorization, so I'm not sure what this is.

 

[Hdfi]

Nope, it doesn't work.

 

[Hdfi]

Examples of diverse majority-minority countries without a significant Islamic presence: Venezuela, Brazil...

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Multiculturalism works at global level. It's nice to have different cultures as long as they're at country level. The moment you forcefully mix culturally different populations, it's a recipe for long term trouble.

This obsession with diversity is culturally destructive and will be judged as such in the future.

It can be argued that multiculturalism is the death of true global diversity - when taken to the extreme you would end up with the same mix of people in every country and no truly unique cultures anywhere. It's already happening in many European locations where no matter what public/tourist areas you go to you're met with the same group of migrant scammers/pickpockets.

 

[Mittens]

Wouldn't they still believe sins were sins, and all those that committed them were to be frowned upon?

Would guess in this context "non-practicing" == frowning and "practicing" == AKs.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

It can be argued that multiculturalism is the death of true global diversity - when taken to the extreme you would end up with the same mix of people in every country and no truly unique cultures anywhere. It's already happening in many European locations where no matter what public/tourist areas you go to you're met with the same group of migrant scammers/pickpockets.

The irony of forced diversity is turning everything into a grey mush.
Which is why i say diversity is great as a global phenomenon, not a national one.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I suspect a large amount of Sherbros don't train because anyone who's spent time in a Western MMA gym will have spent many hours around people from all races, religions and backgrounds working together and getting on absolutely fine.

Maybe the solution is to make everyone train and say you need at least a blue belt to vote

 

[TheMaster]

I'm not trying to be funny, but what is a non-practicing Muslim?

Someone who truly believes is it is God's will to stay halal ... but simply chooses not to? Wouldn't they still believe sins were sins, and all those that committed them were to be frowned upon?

It's not an ethnic categorization, so I'm not sure what this is.

Non-practicing in my experience means they identify as Muslim still and hold a general belief in God but otherwise don't get too much more into it than that.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Non-practicing in my experience means they identify as Muslim still and hold a general belief in God but otherwise don't get too much more into it than that.

You get plenty of second generation Muslims who say they're Muslims for the sake of their parents but drink, eat whatever food, don't fast etc

 

[Mittens]

I suspect a large amount of Sherbros don't train because anyone who's spent time in a Western MMA gym will have spent many hours around people from all races, religions and backgrounds working together and getting on absolutely fine.

That goes for any small circle of people. Work, hobbies, whatnot - especially when the cultural differences either don't come up (hobbies) or are actively forbidden to come up (workplace most often). And the potential problems only arise on the large scale of populace.

But yes, any form of actual human interaction between different people with different beliefs at a shared interest/goal will be beneficial. The big question will be if such microcosms and the benefits from such can truly apply on general population scales. Or do we just get "I'm not a racist, I roll with many muslims, BUT..."

 

[Son of Jamin]

No, ethnic -and cultural diversity leads to lower trust in a society.

The results suggest that social trust is negatively affected by ethnic diversity.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2012.00289.x

Another study:

EconPapers: Labor diversity and firm productivity

By Pierpaolo Parrotta, Dario Pozzoli and Mariola Pytlikova; Abstract: Using a matched employer–employee data-set, we analyze how workforce diversity associates with the productivity of

econpapers.repec.org

Then we have a classical study on subject:

"...immigration and ethnic diversity tend to reduce social solidarity and social capital. New evidence from the US suggests that in ethnically diverse neighbourhoods residents of all races tend to ‘hunker down’. "

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x

Some links to similar findings:

 

[fedoriswar37]

Yes. The waves of Europeans who came after WW2 shows its possible . Islam just isnt compatible with western ( or any civilized ) society.

 

[Billy no mates]

The British attitude to multi culturalism has been a lazy acceptance of mono cultures growing up often in already troubled inner city areas and declinning industrial towns with very little in the way of real engagement to promote a positive set of common ideals we can all buy into , we're an example of how not to do it .

 

[calavera2]

The idea of static unique independent cultures doesn’t exist...people are constantly changing and evolving as we speak...its messy and violent but it will continue.

Even those isolated Amazonian twats are changing