Has Marlon Moraes shown he has the potential to surge past where all the other Brazilian fighters are? And to eclipse Dos Anjos, Maia, Renan Barao, John Lineker and the other current Brazilian fighters? It's often seemed that Brazilian fighters are on their way down as far as being major influences. Particularly after the collapses of Anderson, Barao and Aldo. Even Dos Anjos and Werdum, the most recent examples to get UFC gold, couldn't leave anywhere near the consistent legacies Anderson and Aldo did at their peaks. Does Moraes have the potential to be the one that breaks through in the current UFC scene?
Does Marlon Moraes have the potential to be a new Brazilian equivalent to Anderson and Aldo?
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He could be the next Anderson Aldo.
He definitely has that it factor. I remember watching him for the first time and being very impressed with his athleticism. This was about six months ago or so. I also thought he had a really good physique. Yes moderate Homo. He just looks like a fighter to me. So far he is showing that he has the chops to be a big star from Brazil
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He might have more potential because he’s well rounded. He actually goes for takedowns.
Not that many but but I was asking about maybe an equivalent. Given where BW is at now, 4 or so title defenses would put him somewhat close to their legacy given how much tougher the weight class is. And, of course, this is potential, so there's still the acknowledgement he could crash and burn in his next fight.
Even if he is that doesn't place him in the same legacy class as Aldo or Anderson.
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Truth is moraes can’t be a long time long time champ(that’s is if he beat tj or cidy) because of how depth And fast growing Bw is.
The reason why Anderson was able to defended the title 10 times is that of how weak and one dimensional Silva opponent is.
The reason why Anderson was able to defended the title 10 times is that of how weak and one dimensional Silva opponent is.
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More like an Edson Barboza with grappling
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I imagine TS already knew that.
That is exactly the question TS asked you. You answered it. Nothing more was needed.
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He's one of the most underrated fighters in the sport and he may be the best in the world right now. I guess we'll find out soon enough...
Fair enough. But then again, it was largely lack of grappling that led to Barboza stagnating. It left him vulnerable to repeated TDs and submissions and, since this is MMA, it made his striking less effective too. So a new Barboza that doesn't have to worry about being taken down repeatedly could be quite interesting to see and could be dangerous for the division.
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Should watch the Torres fight if you havent.
Why do you think that could help? Generally it's not all that helpful to look at 6 year old fights to gauge where someone's at now. Do you think it shows his capabilities or lack of them?
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Just a good fight. Imo its when Marlon started getting noticed. I started anyways. He also showed off a lot of his skill.
Ok well I'm glad you enjoyed. Often on this forum critics will try and find a 5-6 year old fight to show how a current star fighter isn't going anywhere or to invalidate their current skills. it gets agonizing and so it helps to check and see where posters who bring up old fights are going. I think in 2012 Moraes was most likely at the beginning stages of discovering who he was.
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I respectfully disagree with everything here. First, I think the defining characteristic that Aldo and Anderson share as GOATs of their divisions is their longevity as champions. I don't know what an "equivalent" to that would be as it's a very cut-and-dried, simple characteristic that you either have or you don't.
Second, 4 title defenses today in the 135 division would be comparing apples to oranges not only to what Anderson did but also to who I would argue is already the 135 GOAT: Renan Barao. Anderson's orange is of course that many fans consider him to have faced many opponents that matched up favorably for him, whether because of style/skill-set or simply talent. So Moraes theoretically beating Garbrandt, TJ, Cruz, and another one for 4 would be at least 3 amazing wins against many more wins by Anderson against lesser competition.
Renan Barao. History has not been kind to him, but I think it should be kinder. He was the best 135'er for years. Period. Cruz can't be claimed to be better when on any given day in any given month for YEARS during Barao's reign Cruz wasn't even healthy enough to fight. The next best fighter in the division during that stretch was Urijah and Barao beat him twice.
Some people also seem to want to invalidate certain résumés when one fighter definitively beats another and I think that is just faulty reasoning. Sure: TJ beat Barao twice, so anyone who wants to say that makes it impossible for Barao to be the GOAT has a strong leg to stand on. But this is comparing character to track record, an indirect comparison at best and something that happens ALL THE TIME on this forum. I think it's again an apples/oranges argument when perceived attributes are compared to historical accomplishments.
The third strike against Barao are alleged PEDs. This can of worms can derail any conversation, so I'll just leave it at, Barao had a much easier time making weight pre-USADA.
Your last sentence mentions potential. I don't think there is any potential here, what you have is actual and not potential. Moraes is not young for 135. He's 30. The smaller the weight class the more it skews younger. He's 30 and he hasn't even fought for UFC gold yet. He will not have time to build the track record of an Anderson or Aldo. If you want to make the character vs. track record comparison for greatness that's one thing, but he can't equal their track record. He's 30, and Aldo and Barao are each 31. Think about that. Aldo has completed his legacy and Moraes basically didn't start his yet and they are only a year and a half apart in age.
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I think Moraes is excellent, has several years left in him, and is a great 4th wheel to add to TJ-Garbrandt-Cruz. Really making 135 exciting, I would even say I am more interested in 135 then I am in 145 at this point since Max has already cleared out half his division. I just think there's obviously zero path for him to do become what Aldo and Anderson are.
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Nunes has a way better chance of that.
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