Does Dan Henderson's two Pride Belts hold more value than UFC's Dual Champs?

[moogie101]

Hendo and Randy’s are legitimate.

Conor was gifted a LW title shot and ran away instead of defending.

GSP was gifted a MW title shot and ran away instead of defending.

They both beat defending champions. How they got that fight (which by the way was due to being dominant fighters in the weightclass beneath) is irrelevant as is what they did with the strap after becoming champ.

Using your argument Randy was gifted a title shot against Big Timmy after not having fought at Heavyweight for five years so is that not legitimate??

 

[bigconan]

ufc is the top talent??!! GTFO of here propagandist for Dana White, just because you a champion in UFC doesn't mean your the best in the world, WOODLEY KNOWS THE HEART ACHE OF THAT HAVING HIS ASS BEAT BY MACDONALD!!

rory was beat bad by lawler twice...who woodley ko'd in 1 round.....

 

[MuddyFugger]

Absolutely not...he couldn't beat one ufc champion...so that tells you right there, that his competition in pride was much less than in the ufc...why else did he lose his 2 opportunities? It's great he was a big fish in a little pond...but in the ocean, he was just another fish.

YOu say the dumbest fucking shit.. I don't even need to explain.

 

[acannxr]

rory was beat bad by lawler twice...who woodley ko'd in 1 round.....

And Lawler had gone through multiple wars prior to fighting Woodley.

 

[613]

WHat the fuck does this have to do with his Pride belts?

 

[Oooxente]

Dan Henderson was ‘just another fish’ in the world of MMA?

@bigconan is just trying to protect Connie integrity as a “champion”.
Don’t take him seriously.

 

[Oooxente]

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[Oooxente]

dff

Hendo deserves all of the hespec he can get.

Fighting an open weight tournament is not for anyone.
Winning one,even if luck was a factor to your results,is very impressive.

Comparing with the “double”champions we have TODAY yeah i say it have more value.

 

[dog y]

Yes. Heavier weight means more prestigious belts.

If mouse or dillashaw unify their tiny belts, its still less prestigious or equal(if the HW division gets even shallower and the champ at the time is a geriatric, small for the division standards s), to the HW belt.

Cormier got koed by that very mean coked and roided tall guy, so his case may be dismissed by some.

 

[Bamboozled]

In the ufc, he wasn't champion material...as evidenced by him getting totally trounced by both rampage and silver.

You mean the same Rampage and Anderson who couldn't win titles in PRIDE?

 

[Kingz]

Not really, the prestige was in the GP’s...and Dan lost in the last WW GP while he was champ. Even though Filho would’ve likely won the GP..Kaz Misaki is the man

 

[markg171]

at least he tried to unify/defend them.

You guys will stretch whatever definition suits your needs won't you?

Dan did not defend his Pride belts. Rampage and Silva defended their UFC belts. Dan might as well have been an interim champ, and if you want to count that for Dan as a defense you'll have to do the same for all the other interims.

 

[markg171]

Hendo and Randy’s are legitimate.

Conor was gifted a LW title shot and ran away instead of defending.

GSP was gifted a MW title shot and ran away instead of defending.

Lmfao Randy became LHW champ for the first time coming off of 2 losses in a row at HW. Then did the opposite and won the HW belt for the last time coming off of a loss and retirement at LHW.

Randy was the OG of unearned title shots. And that's just between different divisions and isn't even counting how many he got while competing in one for a stretch. Thanks for showing your bias.

 

[markg171]

Pride belts meant more than UFC belts in the mid 2000s.

... You do know that the Pride and UFC belts were unified back to back and Dan lost both those fights to the UFC champs right?

 

[markg171]

You mean the same Rampage and Anderson who couldn't win titles in PRIDE?

It takes a special kind of stupid to say that because they didn't win titles in 2004 that their 2007 UFC championship selves wouldn't win titles back then too.

I'd especially love to know which Pride WW you're picking to beat Silva.

 

[gono btw]

It takes a special kind of stupid to say that because they didn't win titles in 2004 that their 2007 UFC championship selves wouldn't win titles back then too.

I'd especially love to know which Pride WW you're picking to beat Silva.

oopzz...Paulo Filho is the name...lmao

 

[Typrune Goatley]

You guys will stretch whatever definition suits your needs won't you?

Dan did not defend his Pride belts. Rampage and Silva defended their UFC belts. Dan might as well have been an interim champ, and if you want to count that for Dan as a defense you'll have to do the same for all the other interims.

At least he had the balls to defend unlike Conor or GSP.

And those were World Title Unifications when Hendo fought Rampage and Anderson (who were also former PRIDE fighters)

Lmfao Randy became LHW champ for the first time coming off of 2 losses in a row at HW. Then did the opposite and won the HW belt for the last time coming off of a loss and retirement at LHW.

Randy was the OG of unearned title shots. And that's just between different divisions and isn't even counting how many he got while competing in one for a stretch. Thanks for showing your bias.

It is true about Randy being given undeserved title shots but at least he had the balls to defend his belt versus Gonzaga and Brock, two huge monsters that were much bigger and much younger than old Randy. GSP and Conor didn't want to fight Whittaker or Khabib but look at what old Randy had to deal with.

... You do know that the Pride and UFC belts were unified back to back and Dan lost both those fights to the UFC champs right?

Yep. Lost them both to two other former PRIDE fighters.

It takes a special kind of stupid to say that because they didn't win titles in 2004 that their 2007 UFC championship selves wouldn't win titles back then too.

I'd especially love to know which Pride WW you're picking to beat Silva.

In 2004 Rampage was destroyed by Wanderlei and in 2005 he was destroyed by Shogun.

Anderson lost to Chonan and Takase in PRIDE and he would have lost to plenty other PRIDE WW's around that time, had he fought them. It wasn't until he had a couple of years under Nog that he could finally hold his own on the ground, which was around the time he showed up in UFC.

 

[Bamboozled]

It takes a special kind of stupid to say that because they didn't win titles in 2004 that their 2007 UFC championship selves wouldn't win titles back then too.

I'd especially love to know which Pride WW you're picking to beat Silva.

Some guy named Dan Henderson

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

He lost them both when he first stepped back in the octagon.

Weren't those Pride belts won in a ring? Under a different rule-set than what he "defended" them in? Seems more like he didn't lose anything but failed to gain something (UFC belts). But my memory isn't what it used to be.

 

[thelittleman]

WHat the fuck does this have to do with his Pride belts?

That was to counter the point that he had had losses before his PRIDE Title fights. His resume is obviously beyond legit. He is a MW, who beat 2 HW's(1 of whom was the consensus # 2 all-time HW for a decade) and a LHW in 1 night. Beat the HW GOAT. Won a UFC MW tournament(by beating 2 guys in 1 night), a RINGS tournament(by beating 3 guys in night), has arguably the best KO in UFC history, and won 1 of the greatest fights in MMA history.

There may be other fighters who have better resumes... but I can't think of 1.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/dan-henderson-greatest-moment-career-appreciation-thread.3683015/