Does Charlie Ontiveros have the worst wrestling in the UFC?

[Sticko]

you say wrestling but sounds like you are talking about grappling

I'm talking about both tbh

Ontiveros got taken down very easily and couldn't get back up. I consider TDD and scrambles to be wrestling but wrestling and grappling are interrelated

 

[usernamee]

I'm talking about both tbh

Ontiveros got taken down very easily and couldn't get back up. I consider TDD and scrambles to be wrestling but wrestling and grappling are interrelated

Yeah you could've just said grappling to encompass all disciplines in this scenario

 

[JRD054]

So anyone who exploits a massive grappling advantage is now a "panic wrestler"?

Anyway, I'd say Till deserves a mention in this thread. Ontiveros has no business in the UFC; he belongs fighting on the local circuit. But Till is a legit UFC fighter who's actually fought for a title. The fact that he's still so lost on the ground doesn't speak well for his work ethic and/or coaches.

With all due respect sir. That is retarded. No offence. But Darren has only been taken and held down by one man, Derek Brunson also where according to Bisping and his teammates and coaches, he had a torn ACL and due to this could also not wrestle once the entire camp.

 

[Spath]

Give Ontiveros the Chris Camozzi treatment and match him up with someone like Dariush… twice

 

[laleggenda27]

With all due respect sir. That is retarded. No offence. But Darren has only been taken and held down by one man, Derek Brunson also where according to Bisping and his teammates and coaches, he had a torn ACL and due to this could also not wrestle once the entire camp.

First, take your juvenile insults somewhere else.
Second, Till was completely lost against Brunson; like a fish out of water. And Till was absolutely mauled on the ground by Woodley and ultimately finished with a D'arce; fun fact, that was Woodley's first submission win in 9 years. Dalby also found wrestling success against Till. The simple reality is that Till has been fortunate to face a consistent lineup of strikers. But when facing decent wrestlers, he's been exposed. He simply doesn't have a ground game.

 

[JRD054]

First, take your juvenile insults somewhere else.
Second, Till was completely lost against Brunson; like a fish out of water. And Till was absolutely mauled on the ground by Woodley and ultimately finished with a D'arce; fun fact, that was Woodley's first submission win in 9 years. Dalby also found wrestling success against Till. The simple reality is that Till has been fortunate to face a consistent lineup of strikers. But when facing decent wrestlers, he's been exposed. He simply doesn't have a ground game.

Till stopped woodleys takedowns with ease, his awful grappling vs woodley was due to his awful bjj and therefore awful bottom game. Dalby found wrestling sucess against a 23 year old til wit A DISLOCATED SHOULDER and he still could not take him down. The only person to take Darren down is the best wrestler in the division where Till had a torn ACL and had not wrestled for 12 weeks. Think about it man. Tills ground game is, I agree awful but that is on account of his BJJ not wrestling.

 

[SaigeVanZant]

The guy is an absolute can. One of the worst fighters to fight in UFC

 

[Sticko]

Ontiveros loses again. The fight was fun while it lasted but unsurprisingly, Gabriel Benitez got a takedown and hopped right into full mount.

Ontiveros is tailor made to make his opponents look good imo. Throws some nice punches and flashy axe kicks, but he's gonna get finished unless he finishes first.

 

[markantony20]

I thought you meant Charles Olivera lmao am I having a stroke?

 

[Sticko]

I thought you meant Charles Olivera lmao am I having a stroke?

Yes you're having a stroke, take a few deep breaths and then seek medical attention

 

[Deleted member 585708]

He's an actual throwback fighter, harking to a time when strikers had absolutely no idea what wrestling and grappling even is