Law Do you support Zohan Mamdani's call for ban of AR15s?

[payton]

Well, the numbers of murders committed by handguns vs long guns seems to disagree with you. There is no questions that in the hands of someone prepared to take a lot of lives, an AR is by far the better choice. The Las Vegas shooting proved that. But that is not happening daily. Hand gun deaths are in every major city every single day. Don’t try to educate me about guns. I have spent more time around them attached to my hip than you ever will, numbnuts

This is like saying mosquitoes are more dangerous than polar bears because they are responsible for up to 1 million human deaths per year. Thats true but that argument is very narrow in its application.

The AR is a lightweight alloy, chambers at least 20 rounds, is designed to be carried dozens of kilometers daily, quick aiming (especially with a tactical sling) for close or medium-quarters combat. It's designed to kill a lot of people in a short time quick and snappy. Now compare that to your dad's revolver..

Having a rusty Glock 22 around your protruding belly for 20 years doesn’t make you an expert on guns. Just shut your mouth and listen to your experts on topics you're ignorant about.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I'm generally against gun bans. I think there should be requirements for licenses, trainings, and appropriate storage but not a flat ban

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Well, my point is that I can still fight against trump AND not vote for your shit candidate. This has nothing to do with slavery, and I disagree with your notion about not fighting for the slaves meant you were complicit. It wasn’t that simple. If you were a non slave owner in the south when slavery was legal and you spoke out about it, you could be hung as a slave lover. My point is, it’s just a bad analogy to this topic.

I hate trump but I am not ready to vote to a shit candidate simply because they are not trump. I went to see Bernie sanders last night for fucks sake, so I am warming up to the idea but you gotta do better than kamala

Its not about slavery. Its called an analogy.
Its not that simple to you, thats the whole point. Its a simple call to the people on the left. Identifying clear human rights violations and being heroic to fight the power (even with consequences) is why the left doesn't fuck with many centrists. You asked a question & this answers it.
Abolitionist existed from the beginning. Plenty of people & religious groups & sects who opposed it too.

I dont think people who put not liking gun regulations, social programs, & trans rights on the same level as the things that are currently going on with this administration, are that helpful.
Democrats dont have a candidate yet. Kamala isn't on the same level of scum as the current admin plus she wouldn't make it out of the primary if certain faces run next cycle. So I dont think people have to fear monger or exaggerate her to the crazy stuff we are living through with child trafficking, Israel, and the trade war.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Thankfully we have you here protecting us from pure evil!

You're welcome gramps... I wish I could protect you from @Deaths Head but you in a world of trouble.

$100 on Desths Head winning by TKO. Any takers????

 

[DoctorTaco]

I think the framing needs to be shifted. Rather than, “do you think the line should be at AR-15s?” The question aught to be, “where do you draw the line for civilian ownership of firearms?”

95% of gun owners have a line somewhere. (The 5% who doesn’t are at least honest about it)

Should we be able to own semi automatic military style rifles? Fully automatic? Silencers? Armor piercing rounds? Hollow points? Shredding bullets? How large of caliber should I be able to own before I need special permitting? How large of caliber should I be able to own and operate before you draw a line? What about hand grenades? Stun grenades?

The whole topic is less about ARs specifically and more about peoples personal belief about what the second amendment guarantees and how big/lethal/anti-personal we can go

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I'm generally against gun bans. I think there should be requirements for licenses, trainings, and appropriate storage but not a flat ban

All those thing are great in theory. I honestly believe its the nightmare of implementing things by our corrupt, price gouging, unprofessional, discriminatory, understaffed, lack of expertise American bureaucracy that makes a lot of people fight against common sense stuff.

As conspiratorial as it sounds there is common ground with both sides not trusting government to make jumping through hoops expensive time consuming nightmares.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I think the framing needs to be shifted. Rather than, “do you think the line should be at AR-15s?” The question aught to be, “where do you draw the line for civilian ownership of firearms?”

95% of gun owners have a line somewhere. (The 5% who doesn’t are at least honest about it)

Should we be able to own semi automatic military style rifles? Fully automatic? Silencers? Armor piercing rounds? Hollow points? Shredding bullets? How large of caliber should I be able to own before I need special permitting? How large of caliber should I be able to own and operate before you draw a line? What about hand grenades? Stun grenades?

The whole topic is less about ARs specifically and more about peoples personal belief about what the second amendment guarantees and how big/lethal/anti-personal we can go

With FRTs & Super Safeties the full auto vs semi auto argument is completely outdated & moot

Its also one of these ground breaking innovations or scenarios that shows a majority of the left playing experts are not informed or subject matter experts for actual rights & freedoms they want to take away or limit.

I bet 99% of the people who support full auto bans aren't even tracking to the above & would need google to understand.

 

[My Spot]

What constitutes a "military style" rifle?

 

[deviake]

Great idea, especially with the state the country is in and the direction we're going. Great timing

 

[Gutter Chris]

I think the framing needs to be shifted. Rather than, “do you think the line should be at AR-15s?” The question aught to be, “where do you draw the line for civilian ownership of firearms?”

95% of gun owners have a line somewhere. (The 5% who doesn’t are at least honest about it)

Should we be able to own semi automatic military style rifles? Fully automatic? Silencers? Armor piercing rounds? Hollow points? Shredding bullets? How large of caliber should I be able to own before I need special permitting? How large of caliber should I be able to own and operate before you draw a line? What about hand grenades? Stun grenades?

The whole topic is less about ARs specifically and more about peoples personal belief about what the second amendment guarantees and how big/lethal/anti-personal we can go

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
What kind of rounds?
I don't understand the caliber question. I don't care if you own a 50 caliber rifle or a 4 bore or any number of safari guns. High caliber rifles aren't any kind of problem that I'm aware of as is right now.

Totally think you should need a permit for flash bangs and grenades but I'm totally fine with a path to owning that stuff. I don't really want grenades to be a part of edc but would be nice to have a few stored somewhere ....just in case. Would probably also be a hoot to chuck them around at the nade range. I guess my line is explosives.

 

[Stoic1]

You're welcome gramps... I wish I could protect you from @Deaths Head but you in a world of trouble.

$100 on Desths Head winning by TKO. Any takers????

We know you're stupid. Didn't realize how stupid.

 

[Crazy Source]

He’s a fucking clown. He wants to educate me on guns. I’ve forgotten more about guns than he knows and have spent more time shooting them.

Yeah, but my gun is just as effective as yours. There is a disconnect with you in that you are skilled with weapons. The overwhelming majority doesn't know how to handle guns properly and more importantly don't realize mortality.

You are/were LEO, right? I can't imagine you guys want to walk up on a vehicle that you have stopped and the odds are better that they have a gun.

The proliferation of guns makes us more unsafe. It's a fact. If you live in a household with a firearm you are much more likely to die by a firearm, and don't get me started on the suicide rate.

I get it, and I realize that there is no easy answer, but we are dying. Americans are dying. Cigarettes were a problem back in the day, right? Why aren't gun manufacturers held to that same standard? As someone was saying here, if Mexico got cut off from the gun supply then the big gun companies would go bankrupt.

They deal in death, and business is fantastic. There is never a shortage of gangsters doing gangster shit. Strawman purchases to let the cartels keep killing each other while on the other hand we vilify the people using those guns. We are giving them the means to do it and we are getting a steady supply of coke, brown, and fenty. This world is so fucked.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

All those thing are great in theory. I honestly believe its the nightmare of implementing things by our corrupt, price gouging, unprofessional, discriminatory, understaffed, lack of expertise American bureaucracy that makes a lot of people fight against common sense stuff.

As conspiratorial as it sounds there is common ground with both sides not trusting government to make jumping through hoops expensive time consuming nightmares.

I dont disagree but at some point something has to be done

 

[Crazy Source]

I dont disagree but at some point something has to be done

They won't budge. We are resigned to a world saturated with guns.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

We know you're stupid. Didn't realize how stupid.

Stupid is making cringe worthy vids as a geriatric try hard. You look 20 years older than him. Settle down.

 

[Stoic1]

Stupid is making cringe worthy vids as a geriatric try hard. You look 20 years older than him. Settle down.

I understand you guys suck each other off in the boxing forum. I know you are just trying to stand up for your friend. But he dug this hole. He can get out of it without you.

Welcome to my fan club though~

 

[Crazy Source]

I understand you guys suck each other off in the boxing forum. I know you are just trying to stand up for your friend. But he dug this hole. He can get out of it without you.

Welcome to my fan club though~

Why are you so angry? I know my reason. What is yours? Lose somebody? Make a few mistakes that you can't take back? I understand you have a good life financially, and I commend that. You take care of your people. It's a noble pursuit.

I cannot wrap my head around a person that has it like you do and is still bitter.

 

[wolffanghameha]

I wonder if he’d enjoy a nice helicopter ride?

Kobe? Pinochet?

 

[KnightTemplar]

NOPE. In the middle of an AR build now....& its pretty epic

Also, here in Arizona in all the car social media groups EVERYDAY there are Ring or home surveillance videos of people armed with ARs or AKs stealing performance cars or sports cars right out of people's driveways in suburban areas....Movie type shit. Like 3 dudes pull up. Block your driveway. One guy is the get away driver who sits in the running car. One guy literally stands lookout with their rifle focused at your home . Other guy breaks into and steals the car. Lookout hops back into the getaway car. Both cars take off.

If somebody comes to my front door with semi auto or automatic high capacity weapons fuck anybody who tries to tell me to use my revolver, my pistols, my shotgun, a butter knife, my hands, or to call the police to protect my family or my property. Especially when its a daily occurrence in many areas throughout the country.

Its fkn 2025 in the height of gun culture. The cat's out the bag, you cant put it back in. Domestic & foriegn criminals will continue to have easy access to a plethora of weapons & no laws will ever stop them in our country. So as a trained, responsible, law abiding citizen I want the right to match or have superior fire power.

I use to rely on personal protection trained dogs or guard dogs before I got into 2A stuff. Now im not about to hope or send my dogs after terrorist gang members with assualt rifles to get shot up.

Its also not even about some strange larp or fantasy about getting into a shootout with "bad guys." Its about me knowing I at least had a fighting chance to protect my family, my neighbors, or myself if things escalated or if they crashed out.

Might as well lock the Thread here. Not going to get a better answer than this guy gave you.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Big brain move. Next:

Should all knives with pointed ends be banned?

Britain’s government is considering it, along with other steps to curb fatal stabbings

www.economist.com

Said it once I’ll say it again, I never would have guessed Demolition Man would be the most accurate depiction of the future in cinema.