Elections Do you put a lot of weight on the debates?

[Takes Two To Tango]

I mean it's only 90 mins of talking and you can flub or stutter and look very bad and have a terrible night, but is it the be all or end all?

Wouldn't you rather look at both guys history as a President and the results he's done?

This is a classic substance vs. bravado.

Imo Biden has more substance than Trump. While Trump has more bravado than Biden.

But will a debate really change your mind? or someone track record in how they lead the country for 4 years?

 

[Seano]

Biden shit the bed in the debate, just get over it already.

 

[Pittie Petey]

I put a lot of weight on everything

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Biden shit the bed in the debate, just get over it already.

Yeah he may have had a bad debate, which is true. But it doesn't mean it's over, there are other debates and if people want to really think it through. I believe looking at peoples track records is more important than debates. How they run the country, the policies they made. Everything there whole performance in the past 4 years is more important than a 90 minute debate where you can just be off. Can't blame the guy to be off that night.

There is more to choosing than a debate imo.

 

[jimjamjammer]

Yeah he may have had a bad debate, which is true. But it doesn't mean it's over, there are other debates and if people want to really think it through. I believe looking at peoples track records is more important than debates. How they run the country, the policies they made. Everything there whole performance in the past 4 years is more important than a 90 minute debate where you can just be off. Can't blame the guy to be off that night.

There is more to choosing than a debate imo.

Track record doesn't really matter if the guy doesn't know where he is or can't finish a sentence.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Track record doesn't really matter if the guy doesn't know where he is or can't finish a sentence.

He spoke well the next day at a rally, I believe the guy had a bad night. Simple as that. I'm sure he wasn't up to par and he was definitely incoherent. But doesn't make him a bad leader just because he's not great at debating or public speaking. But I understand the optics of it is bad for Biden and his crew. Which is why they are thinking of replacing him. Which is fine.

However, if you look deeper to what's more important it's really not that important that he couldn't finish a sentence. Especially if he was nervous, also he's known to being a stutterer.

Shit happens, but to make it be all end all thing is too dramatic imo.

 

[AWilder]

I mean it's only 90 mins of talking and you can flub or stutter and look very bad and have a terrible night, but is it the be all or end all?

Wouldn't you rather look at both guys history as a President and the results he's done?

This is a classic substance vs. bravado.

Imo Biden has more substance than Trump. While Trump has more bravado than Biden.

But will a debate really change your mind? or someone track record in how they lead the country for 4 years?

I remember Dean having to drop out because he said "yeah!" In a funny way.

 

[Blayt7hh]

No, but the fact that Biden looked way too old is significant

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

No, but the fact that Biden looked way too old is significant

He didn't look that old in the rally the next day. I think he just had an off night.

 

[jimjamjammer]

He spoke well the next day at a rally, I believe the guy had a bad night. Simple as that. I'm sure he wasn't up to par and he was definitely incoherent. But doesn't make him a bad leader just because he's not great at debating or public speaking. But I understand the optics of it is bad for Biden and his crew. Which is why they are thinking of replacing him. Which is fine.

However, if you look deeper to what's more important it's really not that important that he couldn't finish a sentence. Especially if he was nervous, also he's known to being a stutterer.

Shit happens, but to make it be all end all thing is too dramatic imo.

Bad night? Nervous? Lol He's been in politics for 45 years. It's a little late in the game to be getting nervous.
He's old and his mind is going. That's not changing. Better to just accept it instead of rationalize what you are seeing to yourself.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Bad night? Nervous? Lol He's been in politics for 45 years. It's a little late in the game to be getting nervous.
He's old and his mind is going. That's not changing. Better to just accept it instead of rationalize what you are seeing to yourself.

He's only human, he can still get nervous and stutter like a buffoon up there. It happens to the best of us. Like I said in the rally in the next day, he was fine. A lot more energetic and coherent.

It's all about getting the best leader for the country, not some crook who doesn't give a fuck about his voters. Trump said that in his rally. I'll paraphrase "I don't care about you guys, but only just your votes." Do you want that guy to be your leader?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

He didn't look that old in the rally the next day. I think he just had an off night.

On was at night, the other was earlier in the day. That is why it is called “Sundowning”.

 

[Seano]

I remember Dean having to drop out because he said "yeah!" In a funny way.

Weird how we went from clownishly high standards to having 0 standards at all.

 

[jimjamjammer]

He's only human, he can still get nervous and stutter like a buffoon up there. It happens to the best of us. Like I said in the rally in the next day, he was fine. A lot more energetic and coherent.

It's all about getting the best leader for the country, not some crook who doesn't give a fuck about his voters. Trump said that in his rally. I'll paraphrase "I don't care about you guys, but only just your votes." Do you want that guy to be your leader?

People with dementia or early dementia do not do well in the evening. Hence the term Sundowning. Firstly, neither one would be my leader. Secondly neither one is "the right guy".
If you really wanted the right guy you would be pushing for someone else altogether.

 

[surgeyou1]

No. Because there's no actual policy debate. I don't really care about how a president looks or sounds. I care about what they choose to sign and support with their power.

 

[AtomicPanther]

Not usually, but it's pretty clear Biden isn't fit to run his own house let alone a country.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Depends. When it's a meaningful and coherent debate between two intelligent people then I'll put stock in their answers. Otherwise, I don't really care. Biden vs Trump falls squarely in "don't really care" territory. I don't know how anyone can genuinely support either of them.

Biden's struggles were more than just an off-night though. It's pretty clear he's having genuine issues. You can't blame anyone for being concerned.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Lmao another cope thread.

 

[nostradumbass]

Having a bad debate isn't that important, proving to everybody that the president isn't in charge of anything because he isn't mentally capable is.

You can't really tell people "democracy's on the ballot" and then tell them to vote for a shadow administration where nobody knows who's even in charge.

Looking at their history as president doesn't help either when most people were already voting on being better off before covid. The average household income increased $5k in real dollars during Trump's presidency, and it has decreased by $2k during Biden's. That's the most relevant performance metric.

 

[BFoe]

I think they’re pretty significant. Swing voters can be swayed by them quite a bit, particularly the appearance, style, and manner of a candidate I think.
Especially in races like we have now where polling numbers are very close, a bad performance like Biden had—one that literally makes people wonder if he can do the job—can be devastating.