Do you pronounce "short-lived" wrong?

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"short-lived" means something has a short life. So it has a long i sound like the word "hive"

So many people are saying it with the short i sound that most sources now claim that it's an "accepted" pronunciation.

Which is bullshit. Just because so many people get it wrong doesn't mean it's suddenly right.

If most people thought 2+2 = 5 then should we make 5 an acceptable answer to that equation?
 
"short-lived" means something has a short life. So it has a long i sound like the word "hive"

So many people are saying it with the short i sound that most sources now claim that it's an "accepted" pronunciation.

Which is bullshit. Just because so many people get it wrong doesn't mean it's suddenly right.

If most people thought 2+2 = 5 then should we make 5 an acceptable answer to that equation?
Actually not to nitpick but that is exactly how language works.

Words have no inherent meaning or pronunciation. Any meaning given to them is either by academics who try to insert a new word into the lexicon by telling us it and hoping it is adopted but more commonly it is simply by every day people making up a word and using it constantly until it becomes, by default, accepted and defined and pronounced that way.

But yes TS, if you can rally enough people to pronounce it your way, then you can stave off the barbarians who are changing it over time.
 
Hence, this thread.

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"short-lived" means something has a short life. So it has a long i sound like the word "hive"

So many people are saying it with the short i sound that most sources now claim that it's an "accepted" pronunciation.

Which is bullshit. Just because so many people get it wrong doesn't mean it's suddenly right.

If most people thought 2+2 = 5 then should we make 5 an acceptable answer to that equation?
I’m 52 years old and have never heard someone say it with a long I. Is this some European crap?
 
I’m 52 years old and have never heard someone say it with a long I. Is this some European crap?
I don't get it either, never heard it pronounced the way he's saying. Also, "lived" is past tense of "live" which is the long "I". So if someone says "That wasn't long lived" that is correct English. with a long "I".
 
I don't get it either, never heard it pronounced the way he's saying. Also, "lived" is past tense of "live" which is the long "I". So if someone says "That wasn't long lived" that is correct English. with a long "I".

Perfect example of why English is a hoe of a language to learn.

I live in a house. "short" i

The event was recorded live. "long" i

NEVER Once heard shortlived pronounced with a long i.
 
Perfect example of why English is a hoe of a language to learn.

I live in a house. "short" i

The event was recorded live. "long" i

NEVER Once heard shortlived pronounced with a long i.
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The phrase doesn't mean "have a short life span"

It means/functions as "an experience which will only occur (had only occured) for a finite amount of time"


Also it is not a modification of the noun "life" it is a modification of the verb "live" (short I)
 
<PlusJuan>

The phrase doesn't mean "have a short life span"

It means/functions as "an experience which will only occur (had only occured) for a finite amount of time"


Also it is not a modification of the noun "life" it is a modification of the verb "live" (short I)
Hot Damn, an ejumacated man that has knowledge of verbal and nounal stuff!

You're alright Jeff, and IDGAF what they write about ya in the ladie's rest rooms. :)
 
<PlusJuan>

The phrase doesn't mean "have a short life span"

It means/functions as "an experience which will only occur (had only occured) for a finite amount of time"


Also it is not a modification of the noun "life" it is a modification of the verb "live" (short I)

It does mean something that has a short life.

So think of the phrase as short-lifed.

But because English is screwy, we replace the f with a v when we pluralize it, as in "lives" with a long i. We do the same thing if we add a D on the end, so short-lived (long i).

The only reason it's confusing is because "lives" with a short i is spelled the same way.

"He saved the lives of his parents, with whom he lives."

Lives with a long i shouldn't be spelled the same as lives with a short i. But it is. And it confuses people.
 
It does mean something that has a short life.

So think of the phrase as short-lifed.

But because English is screwy, we replace the f with a v when we pluralize it, as in "lives" with a long i. We do the same thing if we add a D on the end, so short-lived (long i).

The only reason it's confusing is because "lives" with a short i is spelled the same way.

"He saved the lives of his parents, with whom he lives."

Lives with a long i shouldn't be spelled the same as lives with a short i. But it is. And it confuses people.





Look man, I sympathize. It can be very frustrating feeling like the whole world is doing something wrong and you know better.

I'll give you an example.

These are my fretted string instruments: guitar, ukuleles and a ukulele bass.



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They have the same black and white note pattern which you would find on a piano
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This is a standard guitar as it would be when purchased. Notice that the fretboard is missing the black and white note pattern and thus does not have the information that should be communicated/displayed.

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Obvious logical conclusion:
everyone else all over the world, for all of time, has been doing it wrong.

<Y2JSmirk> And I am obviously doing it right.

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Back to the original debate.

"Short lived"

The easiest way to check the preferred pronunciation is to look it up on a dictionary and click the sample pronunciation.


You will find that they all default to the preferred pronunciation with a short i.


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Or... you can approach from a logic and linguistics manner.


Short lived: adjective

Living or lasting a short time

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What is the root?

Live. (Living or lasting a long time )


And that word is pronounced with the short I.

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As another poster had mentioned, English is a living language. (See what I did there?)
So you are welcome to continue your quest to convince a majority of fhe world's English speakers to pronounce it with the long I.

But until you complete that quest, the preferred pronunciation shall remain with the short i.
 

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Thread is embarrassing.

English is not a very efficient language at the end of the day.
 
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