Do you hold OUTLAW BIKERS in a high regared?

[MMA IAN]

Like what? Former members have admitted their charity drives are just a sham to try to get the public on their sides and rival gang fights have even broken out at these because like i said these losers have to always put up this tough guy act 24/7 even if the most inappropriate places.

Even the whole "Well Hurr not all of them have criminal records so you see they are misunderstood." thing is a load of shit. At the very core they are a dangerous highly organize crime syndicate. They just keep an outer ring around them of guys who don't participate in crime so again when in trouble with the media and law enforcement they can say "Oh no we aren't a gang. Look we got dog shit over here with his us. He has been a member for 20 years and has no record. How can you say we are criminals? "


You are making excuses because you've bought into some illusion and mystique around these guys.

Sure, most are but most reasonable people either know that or think that, so why does it matter as long as little timmy whose parents beat each other and spend all their money on heroin gets a present for christmas?


Yes, I've seen your American altercations at charity drives... Like I've already said I can only talk from an Australian POV and Australia is very, very different from America. Over here clubs have worked together on multiple issues. Most often when it affects their lifestyle, but joint charity runs and members from 1 club contributing to another clubs fundraiser for a sick member/old lady/random child are not unknown.

Do the current and/or ex-military clubs like the Veterans MC or Patriots MC fit into your view of MCs as criminal scum?


There is no illusion. I've grown up with MCs around me in my friends families as dads, brothers, uncles. I hold no desire to be apart of that life, It's not for me but I see more than just what the news decides to report.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Yes, I've seen your American altercations at charity drives... Like I've already said I can only talk from an Australian POV and Australia is very, very different from America.

While your "bikie" variants may not be as bad as their American counterparts. Theres been enough shoot outs and fights in your country that have dragged civilians into it along with heavy drug manufacturing .rapes, extortion etc,etc to hardly call stralian OMC largely harmless.

Do the current and/or ex-military clubs like the Veterans MC or Patriots MC fit into your view of MCs as criminal scum?

I'm not familiar with these clubs. If they are market themselves as One percenters then my same view applies to them. Being in the military doesnt automatically make one an upstanding person. If they are just regular riding clubs then no obviously. I'm aware not all Biker groups are criminal organizations.

There is no illusion. .

Lol You tried to excuse the gangs behavior in my story even though i made it perfectly clear in my first post That they were deliberately blocking ER Routes and trying to intimidate Old biddies and nurses. Come on man Its clear as day you have a fair bit of naive favoritism to them. You may not even be able to see it for yourself

 

[oldshadow]

While your "bikie" variants may not be as bad as their American counterparts. Theres been enough shoot outs and fights in your country that have dragged civilians into it along with heavy drug manufacturing .rapes, extortion etc,etc to hardly call stralian OMC largely harmless.

Actually many of the mother clubs here in the states were pissed at clubs in other countries that recruited from street gangs that could not even ride a motorcycle.


I'm not familiar with these clubs. If they are market themselves as One percenters then my same view applies to them. Being in the military doesnt automatically make one an upstanding person. If they are just regular riding clubs then no obviously. I'm aware not all Biker groups are criminal organizations.

The are plenty of 3 piece patch clubs that are not 1%ers and not riding clubs.

Lol You tried to excuse the gangs behavior in my story even though i made it perfectly clear in my first post That they were deliberately blocking ER Routes and trying to intimidate Old biddies and nurses. Come on man Its clear as day you have a fair bit of naive favoritism to them. You may not even be able to see it for yourself

They were acting like ass holes and the club officers should have brought them back in control. That said they can act like ass holes and the club officers are ass holes also so you get that too. Even in big clubs most chapters control their own people unless they step too far out of line.

Was this a big club or local, because some of the local clubs are worse because they are trying to hard to prove they are as bad ass as the big boys?

See red above.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Actually many of the mother clubs here in the states were pissed at clubs in other countries that recruited from street gangs that could not even ride a motorcycle.

That's because A. they weren't part of the biker culture and B. Being in part of another gang creates a conflict of interest and starts a possibly feud with the original gang they recruited from. I believe that happened with the mongols recruiting Mexican street gang members to beef up their ranks Not especially relevant to my original point though that the OMC abroad still routinely do enough scummy shit to be looked down up as low life criminals.

And yes they were locals.

 

[IRS]

Sure, most are but most reasonable people either know that or think that, so why does it matter as long as little timmy whose parents beat each other and spend all their money on heroin gets a present for christmas?


Yes, I've seen your American altercations at charity drives... Like I've already said I can only talk from an Australian POV and Australia is very, very different from America. Over here clubs have worked together on multiple issues. Most often when it affects their lifestyle, but joint charity runs and members from 1 club contributing to another clubs fundraiser for a sick member/old lady/random child are not unknown.

Do the current and/or ex-military clubs like the Veterans MC or Patriots MC fit into your view of MCs as criminal scum?


There is no illusion. I've grown up with MCs around me in my friends families as dads, brothers, uncles. I hold no desire to be apart of that life, It's not for me but I see more than just what the news decides to report.

Stop using the excuse that Australia is somehow different than America.

As an Australian it is a complete load of shit. the 1% MCs are the worst of the worst. They only create violence and misery

 

[Bagatur]

I have known a do know 1%ers, some are real ass holes and some are good guys.

Don't believe everything you read or see on TV.

Not sure what TS means by respect, I treat everyone with respect as long as they do me the same way.

so if a kiddie fucker respected you, you would do him the same way?

 

[Bay Area]

:icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Serious? This is nothing more than a PR stunt.

Love the way these bikers treat their women hang a rounds....curb stomping and raping them. They get patches of honor for participating in gang rape, murder, assault and other criminal acts. But on the bright side, they do pass out toys on Christmas, so they're good guys.

 

[skombolis]

Over-glamorizing things. They are a gang that happens to ride motorcycles. I admire them no more than I would the the Crips or the Bloods. And having your back in a fight is not loyalty, it is common sense. Most these guys aren't loyal when push comes to shove and you are talking women or prison or money.

 

[Rimbaud82]

Well we don't have these 'bikers' here but they seem like a shower of shite. Why would anyone respect these guys?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

There's no denying the mystique of outlaw bikers:

A band of loyal brothers, in black vests, on the open road, riding towards the sunset, etc. Anti society, tough, playing by their own rules etc. Admired by many, feard by all.

Do you admire outlaw bikers? Do you hold them in a high esteem? Or are they nothing but adult adolecents who cannot adapt to society?

Let's talk about it here.

Outlaw bikers?

No Skills, No class, slob wannabe hooligans.

They're turds. They ride turds, they are turds.

Turds, just turds.

 

[skombolis]

Sure, most are but most reasonable people either know that or think that, so why does it matter as long as little timmy whose parents beat each other and spend all their money on heroin gets a present for christmas?


Yes, I've seen your American altercations at charity drives... Like I've already said I can only talk from an Australian POV and Australia is very, very different from America. Over here clubs have worked together on multiple issues. Most often when it affects their lifestyle, but joint charity runs and members from 1 club contributing to another clubs fundraiser for a sick member/old lady/random child are not unknown.

Do the current and/or ex-military clubs like the Veterans MC or Patriots MC fit into your view of MCs as criminal scum?


There is no illusion. I've grown up with MCs around me in my friends families as dads, brothers, uncles. I hold no desire to be apart of that life, It's not for me but I see more than just what the news decides to report.

You didn't just build a straw-man, you came with one pre-assembled!

So you have a lot of scummy family members and are defensive is basically what I am getting from your post.

 

[Talent]

Fuck 'em. Shame we are so civilized and humane when it comes to these sort of people.

 

[Broken arrow]

Outlaw bikers (1%ers) are fucking losers.

This reminds me of a story I heard from an MMA gym owner I know.

He went up to Vancouver BC to visit a pro fighter there and went to a place they call "the fortress" that's owned by the hells angels

Apparently it's a building surrounded by a tall fence and gate. The buildings main floor is a private MMA training facility with a cage, mats, lounge, leather coaches, flat screen, bedrooms, kitchen, etc. I think they even have a chef. A handful of very high level fighters live/train there but every day a van comes into the compound and a guy goes through a door down into the basement. The thought is that it's a drug or money warehouse and the fighters living there are essentially human pit bulls

 

[MMA IAN]

You didn't just build a straw-man, you came with one pre-assembled!

So you have a lot of scummy family members and are defensive is basically what I am getting from your post.

If you want to talk about strawmans go join a debate team. The guy asked a question and I gave my opinion, weighted to one side since the other side had plenty of weight from everyone else here already.

I was trying to show that you can take positives out of negatives, but I guess It's just easier to hate on people you don't like rather than looking at it objectively.

No one in my family is a bikie or associated, very far from it. The ones I know are from friends I made whose family members/other friends are involved in that life, as I stated before.