Do you call matches "fights"?

TS: Fighting is punches man hugging on the ground aint fighting. JUST BLEEEEED!!!
 
TS: Do you even bang bro?

my answer would be

You can 'fight' me while I'll treat it like a grappling match, we'll see who comes out lookin worse b--chhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
I refuse to call it a fight... because it's not, and to the casual observer the 50/50 scissor banging that goes on sometimes sure as hell doesn't look like a fight either.


But I do say I competed and I had 4 matches or 4 rounds ect and realize that those terms dont work perfectly either.
 
SuperSuperRambo said:
I think the rules matter. If it happened in a bar fight, you could be struck, you just weren't. If there's no possibility of being struck, I don't consider it a fight.
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True @ good be struck...

And like I said..I call them matches...I am just speaking logically..since that is what TS asked...

...so rules saying you can't strike in a grappling match makes it. Match and not a fight?

For the record there are things called "Laws" which are asset of RULES that says that one civilian is not allowed to strike another civilian ...

Therefore even in a bar fight.. There are rules..they just are disregarded...

That is going out on a limb though I know...

Bottom line, I call them matches and rolling rolling (not sparring, as brought up by another person earlier)

Only time I saw sparring is to someone who does not understand BJJ, and it's terms and looks at me like I am stupid when I said I rolled...thinking I meant taking drugs...then I saw sparred in order for them to understand....

But I do say a BJJ match is a fight...by definition...

But tomato tom
 
Saying fight in reference to BJJ is like saying "Im going to war" when you go to the shooting range.
 
bLikeWater said:
I refer to grappling as matches and mma as fights, because those are the common usages. However, we're talking arbitrary semantics here, and both labels here are referring to athletic competitions that take place under a stringent and extensive ruleset. The image you present of a bunch of mma fighters sitting around talking shit about grapplers who refer to their heavily regulated competitions as fights when really only our heavily regulated competitions are fights sounds pretty douchey.
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Bravo...

Especially when y'all wear pillows on your hands, mouth gear, cup, and taped up hand to protect yourself...no kicks to a grounded opponent, no 12-6 elbows, no eye gouges, No grabbing the cage, if not enough action stand back up...

just as a guy said earlier "if there is no threat of getting pinched, I don't consider it a fight"

I could just as easily say "if there is not a threat of me getting eye gouged or kicked when I down..it is not a fight"

But it sounds stupid...

Snakes FIGHT but have no arms or legs to strike..

The can bite..because that is what "weapon" they have, or to get biblical, that God regulated them to have (rules)

Boxers can't Kick...yes they are boxing matches (and it is funny cu the strike, and it is called matches) but they also say they have a Fight coming up...

But if there is no threat of being kicked..how is it a fight? They are regulated to only use punches...

Same as grapplers..are regulated to use takedowns, submissions...and they fight with what they are allowed to use...

Again Just being logical...and keeping it real...

All these a tivities are SPORTS..and even MMA shouldn't call them fights, if y'all wanna use the "what's Regulated or not" argument...

They are all fights by definition due to they are conflict between two entities thatch result in physical attack...

Yet since they are all SPORT and regulated..NONE of them are real fights..they are ALL matches..

::Bottom Line::
 
jujijimmy said:
Any combat sport is the same, it is defined by the rules. Mma is no more a fight then a grappling match. Boxers don't have fights either because the ref steps in. What a bullshit topic.
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MMA is definitely more of a fight than a grappling match. Any ruleset that alows for Shogun vs Hendo or Wanderlei vs Stann I would consider a fight. There's a difference in the mentality of preparing for and going into an MMA fight and a BJJ match, that makes the former a fight and the latter a match.

Seems like some people are very insecure about this. Everybody wants to be a fighter but nobody wants to get punched in the face.
 
It's funny because I remember when boxers and kickboxers didn't think MMA matches counted as fights back before MMA was legal most places.

MMA was not a fight to them; it was just two random dudes brawling wildly in some barn hoping that the cops didn't come break it up. They didn't consider MMA guys fighters any more than they considered guys who threw punches at a bar to be fighters.
 
String Bean said:
i always say 'match'

when you watch wrestling, you are watching a wrestling match and not a wrestling fight.

also, i used to fight muay thai so i like to specify.
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Boxing is PURE STRIKING..yet when you watch boxing on tv, you are watching what??

A Boxing MATCH..

Point being, striking is not the key to define whether it is a fight or match..the fact that it is regulated by rules..makes EVERY combat sport a MATCH by definition..yet they are ALL fights...

Period..
 
ThatBJJGuy said:
I agree man. I've seen people be butthurt over it on twitter and facebook

It's just a word...of course grappling is a fight without punches or kicks
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Bingo, just like MMA is a fight without biting, eye gouging, groin punching, kicking a downed opponent, using a knife, etc

Lol
 
kuristus said:
A question of semantics, but for what it's worth, from the American Heritage Dictionary:

Fight:
b. A boxing or wrestling match.

It's not idiomatic to call it a "wrestling fight" but it's also not idiomatic to call it a "boxing fight."

Myself, I call it a match, but I have no problem with it being called a fight.
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Gospel...

This is what I have been saying this whole time..

I call it matches, but it IS a fight,

Boxing is striking and still called boxing match not boxing fight...

Bingo..

What else could one say after this..
Without looking like a self righteous douche?

Haha
 
ValeTudoShorts said:
MMA is definitely more of a fight than a grappling match. Any ruleset that alows for Shogun vs Hendo or Wanderlei vs Stann I would consider a fight. There's a difference in the mentality of preparing for and going into an MMA fight and a BJJ match, that makes the former a fight and the latter a match.

Seems like some people are very insecure about this. Everybody wants to be a fighter but nobody wants to get punched in the face.
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"More of a fight" but still NOT a fight..if there are rules...it is a match as well..I agree that both words work for both grappling and striking SPORTS...I consider BJJ comps as matches, so lets get that clear...

I would consider myself a fighter...not because of BJJ, I been a fighter my whole life, due to being in many many street fights...I have no problem taking a punch, in fact I prefer it, I love BJJ, but if I got I a street fight today, I would be looking to knock out my opponent...I would ONLY use BJJ if I got taken down, just to get back to my feet to thump, or to get to a dominant position to ground and pound...

My point...BJJ is ONE aspect of fighting defense, position and submission, WRESTLING is another aspect of fighting, more positioning, pinning, takedowns, JUDO is another aspect of fighting: takedowns BOXING is another aspect of fighting: Punching, LICKBOXING is another aspect of fighting kicking, clinch, elbows, knees KING FU is another aspect of fighting pressure points and weapons...

It is all fighting just that wah one FOCUSES on a certain aspect of fighting...

I also train MMA, not as a career, but I so train it, and even in BJJ...I train with gloves 8oz gloves some times, and grapple while throwing blows..if that is not fighting, I do not know what is..

Getting punched in the face is not a problem of mine...

There may be others...I am sure, but not me
 
Balto said:
It's funny because I remember when boxers and kickboxers didn't think MMA matches counted as fights back before MMA was legal most places.

MMA was not a fight to them; it was just two random dudes brawling wildly in some barn hoping that the cops didn't come break it up. They didn't consider MMA guys fighters any more than they considered guys who threw punches at a bar to be fighters.
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Good point
 
It is all perception...

Strikers cats will always have something to day about grapplers grapplers will always have something to say about strikers...TMA will always have something to say about BJJ, BJJ will always have something to say about Lutre Livre (wrestling)

It is the nature of the beast...but when UFC 1 came..what happen??! All these "strikers" and "Fighters" got taken outbu a guy who didn't strike...only used BJJ...

Was Royce Gracie a fighter??

Fuck yes he was...

And if you are an MMA cat, and you train....I bet money you train BJJ...

I bet you can't name ONE UFC "fighter" today, who does NOT train in BJJ??

You HAVE TO have some BJJ training today, in order to be successful...

BJJ can be used offensively as in submissions and gaining position, but mainly it is a defense, not knowing BJJ in MMA is like a boxer who doesn't keep his hands up and doesn't know how to block...

If BJJ was not a fighting style, it was only a "match" style..why does EVERY UFC fighter learn it?? Not every UFC fighter learns karate, not every UFC fighter learns muey tai...

Just sayin..
 
It's just terminology. Doesn't make a difference what it's called.

I've heard plenty of references to a match as "fights." I tend to call it a match or a round, but "fight" is interchangeable. Lots of people say it, and probably stems from the Brazilians. Luta and combate are both BJJ terms in IBJJF.

"Roll" is a BJJ specific term. Judo guys say "play." but if you ever go to a wrestling practice and ask someone to play you, you'd get laughed off the mat
 
What would you call a hockey fight? Lots of rules there. You can't even slice your opponent with your blades! Let's call it a hockey match...

I like to say that I am a "jiu jitsu fighter". I go to class to learn how to fight and defend myself. I am also a jiu jitsu competitor. I compete in a relatively safe environment with rules and a referee.

I am a competitor, a martial artist, and yes; I am a fighter. #graciefighter

I normally say, "I had three matches today." If Cesar Gracie or any other coach asks me, " How many fights did you have?" I don't correct or debate their terminology.

I don't like when someone turns up their nose or scoffs at the word "fight" or "fighter".
 
MyBodyHurts said:
I don't but it depends on how the term "fight" is defined. Certain MMA people may laugh if they hear a jiu jitsu practitioner say they had a "fight" but that's based on their definition, most likely similar to yours, that it involves striking. But by that definition point sparring is a "fight".

I think what happens a lot is that whatever area or skill you're involved in there are always others who try to diminish the skills or attributes of others within the same area. For example, theoretical physicists will joke they don't consider experimental physicists "real" physicists. Cognitive psychologists will joke they don't consider clinical psychologists real psychologists. Your same MMA friends would be laughed at by people who consider fighting where everything goes, including weapons, eye gouging, ball crunching, etc.

Personally, I say I rolled or had a match with someone but I think the term "fight" is such that it's open to a lot of different definitions.
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Absolutely.

Generally speaking, everyone thinks that they are the baseline definition of manliness and anyone less is weak.

I know a good number of vets who have killed people in war. Funny enough, they are the main guys involved in martial arts that aren't hung up on manliness. It makes me laugh inside to see someone walk into the gym to hit the heavy bag at 20% body fat, wearing and old t-shirt and sweat shorts, not drawing attention from anybody or treated with any special respect (even though he has actually killed armed men) past bare chest guys in boy shorts walking around with the chests stuck out, talking about how this or that guy isn't actually good.

I think people that are worried about being taken seriously as a fighter or martial artists should take a lesson in attitude from people who actually are, and see that the very act of puffing up your chest is a clear sign you aren't what you say you are.
 
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