Do you agree with Joe Rogan that Brock Lesnar could have been the GOAT?

[Hymen Crusher]

Joe rogan says a lot of dumb shit

He has been on a roll lately.

 

[jsbx45]

I think Tom Aspinall has the potential to end this conversation.

I'm excited to see how his career plays out.

Sitting on the fucking shelf right now. Damn shame too.

Oh yeah and Brock...Rogan isn't wrong here, but Brock was pro Wrasslin' not doing MMA when he was young. Cain is actually a pretty good example of what Brock COULD have been if he had started MMA earlier.

 

[VAfan]

it's possible. that was a serious physical base to work off of, and he already had one of the main skills down pat.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Joe Rogan could of been the GOAT if he grew another foot

 

[El Panteron]

Fighters (and people in general) don't come in parts, they're a whole. If you take Brock, give him a different training, give him a different ability to take strikes, a different midset... that's not Brock anymore. That's a fantasy man from a fantasy world.
And who's to say in this fantasy world there's no Overeem that learned to fight with a strategy? Or Cain without injuries? Or Fëdor who's not become a religious nutjob and trained to fight better into his older years? Or maybe Shane Carwin is quick and has cardio, Werdum has Cro-Cop level striking, Randy is 7 feet tall! Would Brock beat them all?

 

[Lionheart7167]

Maybe.
These kinds of arguments are dumb because you can literally speculate about anyone and make up any scenario. Could Robbie Lawler have been the best if he trained at a different camp?
Could Paulo Costa been the best if he wasn't too playing goofing around and playing games? Could Anderson have retired perfect in the UFC if he worked harder and not gotten lackadaisical?
But since we're hypotheticalling (yes, that's not a word)
It's possible. Brock would have needed to work on his striking at a much earlier age, learn submission grappling, not been struck with diverticulitis, and started training when he was much younger. Also (and I don't know if you can teach this), become comfortable with getting hit, which Brock was very much not.
If all of those factors were in place, he could have been the HW GOAT.
Of course, that doesn't factor in the (obvious) role roids played in his whole career, but that's for a different thread....

 

[ultra321]

Another fucking cheater.... I hope he chokes

 

[Leonard Haid]

Bo Nickal could've been the GOAT if only blah blah blah.

 

[don't ask]

lol no

 

[Flokk]

nah, dude never really had that dog in him. Maybe could have been a gong and dash guy and fun

 

[Jawth]

For how good he was joining late and never getting a chance to develop, maybe.

If he came earlier he wouldnt have had piles of cash to hire the best coaches and build training environments though. Theres no way to know how much better he would have been.

 

[Fight Professor]

I think Tom Aspinall has the potential to end this conversation.

I'm excited to see how his career plays out.

Tom's best wins are Volkov and Blaydes. He is below Brock in the fight matrix. He has a LONG way to go.

 

[Söze Aldo]

Tom's best wins are Volkov and Blaydes. He is below Brock in the fight matrix. He has a LONG way to go.

Yes, and wasting two years of what would have been the prime of his career, certainly hasn't helped.

 

[mmacrisis]

Brock is a freak of nature so if he started years earlier and had more training who knows. diverticulitis also took away a lot from him from training and recovery.

There are too many ifs or maybes in this discussion for it to really matter.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Tom's best wins are Volkov and Blaydes. He is below Brock in the fight matrix. He has a LONG way to go.

You can't qualify opponents beyond their rank. The only weak title defense is Jon Jones against (independently) unranked Stipe Miocic that was 42 years old and retired for 3.5 years.

You can't call the top 5 of any era weak. The top 5 is the top 5 is the top 5 in any era.

All Aspinall needs to do is continue to clean out heavyweight and break the HW consecutive title defense record, and he's the HW goat.

 

[Araquém]

No. By Rogan’s logic, technically, any A level athlete is GOAT material. You could replace Brock and say LeBron, Megatron, Ronaldo etc could’ve been the GOAT.

There is no such a thing as A level athletes lol!

 

[laleggenda27]

You can play those kinds of mental gymnastics with a lot of fighters:

• What if DC transitioned to MMA earlier?
• What if Ronda left Edmund and joined a top gym?
• What if Conor didn't become a filthy rich drug addict?
• What if Shogun didn't have knee injuries?
• What if Lee Murray didn't become a bank robber?

Who knows? For Brock, I'm inclined to think he would have dominated the UFC in his 20s, if for no other reason than the fact that the UFC's HW division was extremely weak. But once the better fighters entered the fray, he would have fallen off simply because he didn't respond well to being hit.

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Joe just wants the d

 

[TheComputerGuy]

The ifs is really stupid. The biggest difference between the best and the middle of the pack is how hard they train. You can say if this person worked harder they would have been the best.

 

[Söze Aldo]

There is no such a thing as A level athletes lol!

There absolutely is. They are noticed in childhood however, and funneled into more lucrative sport streams.

I don't even like Brock (will never look at him the same way after reading the McMahon lawsuit) but starting MMA so late and still becoming a champ is a sign of that.