Many times in watching the ufc i have noticed how there were striker or grappler categories; but as time went on i began to see that both stylist began to eff learn the others arts and to input them into their own fightplan. Nonetheless i feel as if people have shown a real respect for the grappling arts, so much so that the strikers are capable of defending subs..takedowns..or get back to their feet as well as a top notch grappler; hell i have even seen some strikers who have eff been able to apply submissions against wrestler/grappler types. Not saying the strikers will go out and win abu dhabi and so on; but in the mma forum they have shown an ability to eff def/apply subs against vastly superior grapplers. They don't just use the grappling to def subs or escape subs and takedowns to use their strikes, they use grappling to finish people who are supposed to have the adv on the ground. examples : spratt v light (light takes spratt down, spratt spins into an armbar and wins spratt is the standup kickboxer..light a wrestler who works w/tito) edwards: edwards v franca (he was able to eff def/escape and counter any and all subs applied by a guy who's ground game is respected in and out of the mma community) Edwards v serra ( edwards was able to def/counter/escape takedowns, ground control and subs against a guy who was at one point one of the best grapplers in the world) Yves is balanced but is much more a striker that a grappler period. (he tapped the guy in japan who was supposed to be some kind of skilled grappler) cro cop : tapped randleman w/a guillotine ( randleman world class wrestler who even top bjj guys have had trouble tapping, gets finished by a kickboxer who also subbed him faster than he had ever been tapped in his life) These are just examples of guys who have developed their ground game enough to eff def/escape and apply subs w/guys who's discipline is ground work, whereas they are using it as something to round out their own skills. When a striker gets tapped or taken down or controlled, i can see that the reason is their opp has more exp and a higher skill set in that area. On the other hand the grapplers just don't seem like they work on their standup enough to truly be eff; alot of them get by on ability, power/toughness. To me they don't showcase alot more skill than the guys in the earlier ufc's. It is as if they use the standup only to work to the ground and if they can't get their they get their asses handed to them; whereas the strikers if taken down have been able to sub guys or at least be able to mount an off in regards to reversals...takedowns or ground control. You see the dev. W/alot of the grapplers it seems as if they did not really work on their allround game, they worked on def or maybe off; but did not do both equally or they did not learn the art from the ground up..nor did they put in alot of (hard) ring time. As shown w/their inability to adjust standing or the way they react to strikes. EX: tito ortiz: any fight he has been in he has been dominated standing, an everytime he gets hit he shoots. He did it against sinosic (he got caught w/a hgh kick) against f.shamrock (got caught w/a r.cross and an uppercut) against liddel ( caught a pucnch and then shot) against mezger (they were stood up he flurried, but when he saw he could not get through guy's guard he shot again) My point is that he says he really works standing, but i can't see it; he always gets caught and always shoots; an i know he is a wrestler. But he is still too predictable and that is what got him caught against frank/guy, he couldn't take the heat standing..shot in and got choked. An when he can't take someone down he resorts to being def until a)he can get the td or b) he gets koed. I mean every fight he has been in he has been caught (ken dropped him..silva dropped him..kondo dropped him...sinosic rocked him..frank rocked him...guy just picked him apart) Ricco Rodriguez: he has show poor off and def against any opp who has any basic skills and is not fearful of firing back; if he can't take u down or can't intimidate u he basically becomes a heavybag. I mean if he can't take u down he is like tito def and looking for a takedown, which makes it harder to get cus they know he is not trying to do anything but. Robbie Lawler: To my knowledge was a wrestler He gets by on ability, u take away his chin and power and he is just a ko victim waiting to happen and after how many years of fighting he still has not. A) shortened up his punches..b)does not setup his punches c) not learned to def leg kicks d) does not punch in combination. He is the opp of tito/ricco, lots of heart and toughness, but no real applicable skill when in an actual fight w/a opp who has the ability to deal w/the firepower he is dishing out; he has no ability to adjust and continues to walk right in and has been exposed (tiki was controlling him and picking him apart until he landed a bomb) (spratt dismantled him standing due to his inability to put punches together control the dist and def leg kicks) Lytle ( picked him apart and controlled the pace, by setting up strikes and capitalizing on his lunging, wide hooks and over aggression) Diaz (frustrated him w/movement and trashtalk and countered him and his wide..loaded up lunging strikes) I am sure some grapplers have fine tuned their standup, but honestly it seems like they only develop enough to survive long enough to apply their grappling; while the strikers have shown to def well enough to apply their standup or if they cna't use strikes can actually finish/win using grappling. See the diff. An as i watch grapplers who try to strike i just see that they don't spar a whole lot, and that they split time w/their training grappling/striking an did not really shore up the standup aspect of their game. Guys say they have but after watching them..i don't see the progression which at this level should be obvious at this time; the strikers i have seen really grow in regards to their ground skills. do u think standup has established the importance and respect that grappling has... lemme put it like this i can see a guy on the ground now and not really know if he is a strker who uses grappling; but i can spot a grappler who is using striking, the disparity is obvious.