Do people understand the difference between a socialist program, and socialist economy?

[VivaRevolution]

The thread title says it all. Do you understand the difference between a socialist program like Medicare, or social security, and a socialist economy?

Do you understand that having universal health care, is different then Venezuala, or Cuba's economy?

I ask, because when you conflate the two, you make socialists of us all.

You folks conflating supporting a socialist program, with a socialist economy are the ones turning socialism main stream.

I am not a socialist. Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.

I don't care what Bernie said. I don't care if he supports socialist programs. That does not make him a socialist.

If you believe in a market economy, you are not a socialist.

Discuss...........

 

[Trotsky]

I'm not sure you know what a socialist economy entails, friend.

 

[HereticBD]

Most people probably don't think of the little differences, no. All I know is that if you keep saying "socialist", and "socialism", and promoting it as a platform, it doesn't matter how you dress it up. People are gonna think you're a socialist.

It's like trying to sell Communism-lite. That shit ain't gonna fly with most people.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I'm not sure you know what a socialist economy entails, friend.

Let's put the theorhetical world to the side for now.

Does China even qualify as a socialist economy, or is it more accurately described as a market economy?

 

[surrealworlds]

Do you understand that people are legit begging for socialism? Yes some are just asking for socialist programs but many are flat out anti capitalism, pro socialism.

 

[nostradumbass]

Hopefully Bernie checks this thread, because he seems to think he's a socialist.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Do you understand that people are legit begging for socialism? Yes some are just asking for socialist programs but many are flat out anit capitalism, pro socialism.

Sure, and some are antifa, and some are actual Nazi's. Wake me up when any of these groups gain actual popular support.

 

[NoDak]

BRING ON THE UTOPIA!

 

[VivaRevolution]

Hopefully Bernie checks this thread, because he seems to think he's a socialist.

Words have meanings.

We can pretend they don't, or we can live in reality.

 

[jk7707]

You sound like a socialist in favor of facist marxism!

 

[surrealworlds]

Let's put the theorhetical world to the side for now.

Does China even qualify as a socialist economy, or is it more accurately described as a market economy?

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

You seem to have this idea that a socialist economy cannot be a part of the global market. This is not true. China is a Communist country which is a form of socialism. China controls the entire chinese market, production,distribution amd exchange. They let "businesses" interact with the market on their behalf because it gives them access to money. China is in complete control of those businesses and who runs them.

A socialist economy and a "market economy" as you call it are not exclusive ideologies.

 

[VivaRevolution]

You sound like a socialist in favor of facist marxism!

 

[NoDak]

We gotta siphon those billions trillions and get this money though.

You Didn't Build That!

 

[VivaRevolution]

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

You seem to have this idea that a socialist economy cannot be a part of the global market. This is not true. China is a Communist country which is a form of socialism. China controls the entire chinese market, production,distribution amd exchange. They let "businesses" interact with the market on their behalf because it gives them access to money. China is in complete control of those businesses and who runs them.

A socialist economy and a "market economy" as you call it are not exclusive ideologies.

"means of production, distribution, and exchange"

If your market is operating by supply and demand, and is made up mostly of private ownership, how is that socialism?

 

[surrealworlds]

"means of production, distribution, and exchange"

If your market is operating by supply and demand, and is made up mostly of private ownership, how is that socialism?

So your just going to ignore everything i just typed? Thanks. That makes for productive conversation. Chinese companies are technically privately owned but who owns them is completely chosen by the Chinese government. They dont even have unrestricted access to the internet! You think China is letting them have free reign over billions of dollars?
China controls the means of production,distribution and exchange like you said in your quote. That makes them a socialist economy.

 

[VivaRevolution]

So your just going to ignore everything i just typed? Thanks. That makes for productive conversation. Chinese companies are technically privately owned but who owns them is completely chosen by the Chinese government. They dont even have unrestricted access to the internet! You think China is letting them have free reign over billions of dollars?
China controls the means of production,distribution and exchange like you said in your quote. That makes them a socialist economy.

No, techniqually they are privately owned.

Provide a source showing otherwise, if you disagree.

Practically they probably are state owned, but so is half of the industries in the US. Our alphabet agencies, banking, oil, media are so intertwined it is absurd.

 

[surrealworlds]

No, techniqually they are privately owned.

Provide a source showing otherwise, if you disagree

"Chinese companies are technically privately owned but who owns them is completely chosen by the Chinese government."
Why would i disagree with my own statement? Wtf.

 

[VivaRevolution]

"Chinese companies are technically privately owned but who owns them is completely chosen by the Chinese government."
Why would i disagree with my own statement? Wtf.

I misread that. My bad.

So if we are talking about practically, as opposed to techniqually, why does that same logic not apply to Goldman Sachs and the FED. Or Exxon, Haliburton, and Dick Cheney. Or operation monarch?

 

[surrealworlds]

I misread that. My bad.

So if we are talking about practically, as opposed to techniqually, why does that same logic not apply to Goldman Sachs and the FED. Or Exxon, Haliburton, and Dick Cheney. Or operation monarch?

I dont understand your point here. You just threw out the names of a government organization, an oil company, a defense company, and a politician. And whatever operation monarch is.
Do those names represent the U.S. economy to you?
Are you saying those companies are socialist ?
What are you saying here?

 

[M3t4tr0n]

You should post that one in the meme thread