Opinion Do people really like Adolf Hitler?

[ValidArmani]

Regardless of whether Hitler existed or not, there was going to be pain for the Germans regardless, because of the Soviets. To only look at Hitler's crimes is to ignore the big red bear in the East, which had already invaded Finland and Poland alongside Hitler, massacring people in unspeakable numbers (by the millions before Hitler had even touched anyone), with no intention of stopping there. From the time that Stalin got into power, he focused much of the Soviet resources and manpower solely on re-armaments.

I do not think the Germans would've been left in peace because of the level of radicalism and world conquering ideology inherent within the Communist circles at that time in Europe.

If you remove both the Nazis and the Communists from the equation, then perhaps a degree of peace could've been reached.

Both the Nazis and the communists wanted secular utopias on earth GreatA. As long as utopianism exists the danger of totalitarianism will always cast its shadow on humanity.

 

[Blackened]

Both the Nazis and the communists wanted secular utopias on earth GreatA. As long as utopianism exists the danger of totalitarianism will always cast its shadow on humanity.

We gotta quit killing ourselves trying to help people and get our own shit in order first.

 

[TheGreatA]

Both the Nazis and the communists wanted secular utopias on earth GreatA. As long as utopianism exists the danger of totalitarianism will always cast its shadow on humanity.

Ultimately, the Weimer Republic fell because it was weak, pathetic and incapable of ensuring the safety and prosperity of its citizens from the looming threats, as well as unable to cultivate the culture of Germany in the way that Germans would've wished for. A failed state which spawned an extreme reactionary, totalitarian state as a result.

Republics fall when they fail to be effective, and are followed by an autocracy, a one-man rule, to make the process of rapid, reactionary change more straight-forward. It is essentially a gamble that citizens take when endangered by decline and a foreign threat, to trust the fate of their nation into the hands of one man, when no better option is available. Whether this autocracy is successful or not, is fully depending on the capabilities and the vision of the autocrat. For the Roman Republic, the emperors served the Romans well for centuries, and brought peace and prosperity at the height of Roman rule over Europe, although they eventually succumbed to weak nepotism and moral degeneracy on the part of rulers.

In Hitler's case, he was the only one willing to take charge, even though he was most likely not even the most qualified man to do so within the Nazi circles (there were certainly people more intelligent and less emotionally-driven than him). His personality flaws were ultimately his undoing. He discounted too much about human nature to be successful as a leader.

Kaiser Wilhelm II (former German emperor) had this to say about Hitler:

""There's a man alone, without family, without children, without God... He builds legions, but he doesn't build a nation. A nation is created by families, a religion, traditions: it is made up out of the hearts of mothers, the wisdom of fathers, the joy and the exuberance of children... For a few months I was inclined to believe in National Socialism. I thought of it as a necessary fever. And I was gratified to see that there were, associated with it for a time, some of the wisest and most outstanding Germans. But these, one by one, he has got rid of or even killed... He has left nothing but a bunch of shirted gangsters! This man could bring home victories to our people each year, without bringing them either glory or danger. But of our Germany, which was a nation of poets and musicians, of artists and soldiers, he has made a nation of hysterics and hermits, engulfed in a mob and led by a thousand liars or fanatics."

 

[ShadowRun]

Has anybody read Mein Kampf ? just curious I think a year or two ago it was put back on shelves because of copyrights, if I remember correctly. I like to watch any WW2 on netflix, history channel ect. I know it's a lot of show but still interesting none the less.

 

[Supereem]

Has anybody read Mein Kampf ? just curious I think a year or two ago it was put back on shelves because of copyrights, if I remember correctly. I like to watch any WW2 on netflix, history channel ect. I know it's a lot of show but still interesting none the less.

It's a good and easy read. You understand his mentality and were he came from. If you want a book to contrast it with then read "the world of yesterday" by Stefan Zweig. Both give a completely opposite view of Goldrn Age Vienna.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Just becoming aware the History wasn't as one sided as I was taught.

"Becoming aware" means gleefully allowing himself to be brainwashed by Nazi's

Read "the varieties of history" if you have some interest in understanding how history is written. Allowing yourself to be brainwashed by Nazi's isn't a good idea.

 

[KnightTemplar]

How could you not like Hitler?

 

[tramendous]

Bookmarking this thread for future examples of war room stupidity.

 

[Shoemaker]

I feel like OP has come across Hitler memes and taken them seriously.

Or just some of the people in this thread.

 

[Blackened]

"Becoming aware" means gleefully allowing himself to be brainwashed by Nazi's

Read "the varieties of history" if you have some interest in understanding how history is written. Allowing yourself to be brainwashed by Nazi's isn't a good idea.

This is a bullshit argument.

Who were the bolsheviks?

Look the Nazi's did fucked up shit and were really horrible, but to pretend there was no reason (and though I don't agree with how it was handled) is pure nonsense.

 

[Snake_Plissken]

Dafuk? I don't remember reading any post about peoples loving hitler here or anywhere else. maybe Ts should log off his stormfront account. many liberals here have admitted having one or visiting the site regularly off course for reference. *roll eyes*

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Among the most ruthless dictators in history, he is one of rarer ones that didn't starve or slaughter his own people. That gives him some points?

 

[Limbo Pete]

I, for one, have really enjoyed this Hitler thread

 

[RhinoRush]

The only admiration I've seen of Hitler (and this is back when I was in school) was his ability to give a speech and to rally his people.

Beyond that: Psycho!

Ten years ago I got banned from a forum for saying that lol.

I think we're just hitting the point now where it's been long enough since WWII that Hitler is getting the Che Guevara treatment where young people don't understand what he was really all about.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Has anybody read Mein Kampf ? just curious I think a year or two ago it was put back on shelves because of copyrights, if I remember correctly. I like to watch any WW2 on netflix, history channel ect. I know it's a lot of show but still interesting none the less.

you aren't missing anything in terms of good writing by a political leader.
caesar wrote a much better leadership book in De Bello Gallico. and of course there are probably hundreds of better books written by political leaders. but since he did the shit he did, it's got a status way above its inherent quality.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The Golden One speaks:

 

[dissolved]

Dafuk? I don't remember reading any post about peoples loving hitler here or anywhere else. maybe Ts should log off his stormfront account. many liberals here have admitted having one or visiting the site regularly off course for reference. *roll eyes*

 

[Blackened]

Ten years ago I got banned from a forum for saying that lol.

I think we're just hitting the point now where it's been long enough since WWII that Hitler is getting the Che Guevara treatment where young people don't understand what he was really all about.

For me, it was seeing that there actually is an internationalist conspiracy comprised of mostly Jewish people. Considering the 66 million Christians that were killed by the Bolshevik's and only being taught about it as a footnote in history, yet obsessing about the "6 million" Jews made me wonder "why the fuck are we obsessing about fascism in education yet glossing over communism?".

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Hitler was one of the first world leaders to have state run anti-smoking campaigns and also was one of the first world leaders to end experimentation with consumer products on animals. Those are things that the left likes, class warfare/division also.

 

[Fawlty]

"why the fuck are we obsessing about fascism in education yet glossing over communism?".

Probably some combination of our strong relationship with Israel, and the guilt from our own history of racism shining light on the largest genocide. The horrors under Mao and Stalin don't get enough attention in grade school. But it's also harder to teach the subtleties of Orwellian societies, and how populations in those countries were intentionally culled, than it is to teach about acts of pure racial hatred that are so well documented. If we're going evil rankings, I go Stalin-Hitler-Mao.

I'd hate to see you buy into the "revisionist" camp (they are not actually revisionists), you seem like you can come back from the brink. Go look at the Jewish scholarship and their answers to the denier propaganda, they do very good work.