Do calf kicks not score well in Muay Thai or kickboxing?

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I get that you don't really see them in thailand because those guys are really light on their front foot and very good at checking. But when I watch kickboxing with european fighters I feel like the calf kick is there, just not targeted for some reason.
 
But when I watch kickboxing with european fighters I feel like the calf kick is there, just not targeted for some reason.
I would guess because you need to be closer to land one and it would leave you more exposed to counters, plus the opponent might check it anyway (though not as often as Thais).
 
Calf kick doesn't work in kickboxing. Their legs are too well conditioned. Only on MMA fighters
 
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Calf kick doesn't work in kickboxing. Their shins are too well conditioned. Only on MMA fighters
How would having a conditioned shin help if you get hit on the calves?
 
There has been calf kick finishes recently in Kickboxing by Japanese Kickboxers.

Overall they are checkable and avoidable arguably easier than regular leg kicks, its just that guys in MMA are terrible at leg kick defense in general and they are hyping them up to be some kind of impossible to defend game changer which they aren't. If they were ultra effective like MMA claims then they would be used more often in Kickboxing and Muay Thai.

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How does having a well conditioned body help with getting hit you're asking? :confused:
Well, the calf kick is supposed to target the calf, not the shin. The conditioned shin plays a role in the checking, but really its the checking missing more-so than the conditioning in MMA.
 
How does having a well conditioned body help with getting hit you're asking? :confused:
No that's not what i'm asking. I am asking how having conditioned shins helps with taking kicks to the calves. It clearly states:

How would having a conditioned shin help if you get hit on the calves?

Being able to take hits is mostly about genetics and technique, and only partly something you can "condition". Kicking the heavy bag will condition the shins, but the calf muscles are separate. In any case I don't see how kickboxers would have particularly conditioned calves. Maybe the Thais since they're on one leg a lot of the time and tend to develop big calves.
 
No that's not what i'm asking. I am asking how having conditioned shins helps with taking kicks to the calves. It clearly states:

How would having a conditioned shin help if you get hit on the calves?

Being able to take hits is partly (I would even say mostly) genetic, and partly something you can develop. Kicking the heavy bag will condition the shins, but the calf muscles are separate.



Strengthening/conditioning your legs is a big part of kickboxing/muay thai. I thought you would know this since you post in literally every thread on this forum
 
Being able to take hits is mostly about genetics and technique, and only partly something you can "condition". Kicking the heavy bag will condition the shins, but the calf muscles are separate. In any case I don't see how kickboxers would have particularly conditioned calves. Maybe the Thais since they're on one leg a lot of the time and tend to develop big calves.
Gonna have to disagree there. Your muscles do get conditioned to take shots. Take a year off from kickboxing and leg kicks will feel way more painful then they will a few weeks down the line after taking them. That's why a lot of gyms temper the legs by having students trade unblocked leg kicks. Look up "Body Tempering".
 


Strengthening/conditioning your legs is a big part of kickboxing/muay thai. I thought you would know this since you post in literally every thread on this forum

You still didn't answer my question. Maybe you meant that their calves are too conditioned? Never saw anyone condition their calves specifically. Maybe it's different in Canada.

Anyway, plenty of thais get TKO'd by low kicks, it is not true that they all too conditioned. Some will get TKO'd no matter how much they prepare.
 
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Gonna have to disagree there. Your muscles do get conditioned to take shots. Take a year off from kickboxing and leg kicks will feel way more painful then they will a few weeks down the line after taking them. That's why a lot of gyms temper the legs by having students trade unblocked leg kicks. Look up "Body Tempering".
Of course, but some people will have weak ability to take hits no matter what. Myself as an example; I can pretty much any hit to the upper body, to the legs not so much. It's something I've always had and of course it will also depend on my level of fitness and preparation. Others just have rock hard legs, for example Rodtang or Rodlek, it's something innate with their body type. Anyway, my super-conditioned abs will not transfer to the thighs, nor will my shins being conditioned help my calves.
 
You still didn't answer my question. Maybe you meant that their calves are too conditioned? Never saw anyone condition their calves to get hit. Maybe it's different in Canada.

Are you this dense? Shins are part of your leg. Calfs are part of your legs. That would be part of strengthening/conditioning. It's always easy to spot people who never trained a day in their life. "Derp calf not leg!" Stop quoting me
 
I would guess because you need to be closer to land one and it would leave you more exposed to counters, plus the opponent might check it anyway (though not as often as Thais).
Distance doesnt change much whether its calf or thigh from what I've seen. And anyways a Dutch style low kick exposes you much worse with how close you have to be to chow down. Some of these European guys really dont even try to check low kicks sometimes, look at that Russian guy that rodtang last fought. He just absorbed rodtangs low kick to his thigh over and over, rodtang probably could have disrupted his movement at least if threw more to the calf
 
Calf kick doesn't work in kickboxing. Their shins are too well conditioned. Only on MMA fighters
Having conditioned shins isnt going to prevent the calf muscle from being damaged just like it wont prevent the thigh from being damaged.
 
Having conditioned shins isnt going to prevent the calf muscle from being damaged just like it wont prevent the thigh from being damaged.

No but having conditioned legs will. Should have just said that because you seem very easily confused by legs
 
Of course, but some people will have weak ability to take hits no matter what. Myself as an example; I can pretty much any hit to the upper body, to the legs not so much. It's something I've always had and of course it will also depend on my level of fitness and preparation. Others just have rock hard legs, for example Rodtang or Rodlek, it's something innate with their body type. Anyway, my super-conditioned abs will not transfer to the thighs, nor will my shins being conditioned help my calves.
Sure, and even people with conditioned legs can still get stopped from leg kicks. I feel like I can take pretty hard leg kicks but I took one high on the thigh last year that put me out for over a month. I feel like I was kind of weakened when I took it as I was sick the weak prior with what may have been COVID since it only effected my lungs, but regardless I had a baseball sized lump in my thigh and it even effected the hip joint. I'm just now getting back into sparring.
 
No but having conditioned legs will. Should have just said that because you seem very easily confused by legs
So everyone should just not throw kicks to the thigh anymore then either and assume that the opponents thighs are too conditioned?
 
Of course, but some people will have weak ability to take hits no matter what. Myself as an example; I can pretty much any hit to the upper body, to the legs not so much. It's something I've always had and of course it will also depend on my level of fitness and preparation. Others just have rock hard legs, for example Rodtang or Rodlek, it's something innate with their body type. Anyway, my super-conditioned abs will not transfer to the thighs, nor will my shins being conditioned help my calves.

There I edited my OP now you can't derail a thread on semantics.
 
So everyone should just not throw kicks to the thigh anymore then either and assume that the opponents thighs are too conditioned?

Leg kicking Thai's just scores points they don't really feel it since their LEGS are well conditioned
 
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