Diversity/Feminism/SJW is killing Comics and they don't even know it

[Organic Damage]

Lol nice. I saw this thread and started going through my collection. I was like 11 when I got it, thought it was the best.

I bought it to learn how to draw the female figure. At least that was my excuse if my Mom ever found it.

 

[Jumpy]

This kind of begs the question, why does it hurt the comic in your eyes to have female characters? Maybe that sentiment is why they are trying to bring up the next generation of comic book characters with heroes other than white men. So that they are not inherently biased against any story about women.

But comics have always had female characters and bad ass female superhero leads.... I think it's cooler to see races diversified and you know, if people suddenly gained power and were gay before, they're gonna be gay after. I don't mind having homosexual heroes or female heroes. What I do mind is that they're trying to shove it down our throats. And I don't think transgenderism is something that should be celebrated and glorified. All this space-pony, xis/xer, stuff... That's mental illness and/or plain stupidity, young fools following the lead of other stupid people.

Thankfully, I don't read Marvel/DC these days. Pretty much only read Invincible by Robert Kirkman and Saga by Brian K. Vaughn(female artist on this one Fiona Staples, and her work is incredible). These are both have a pretty diverse cast by nature of the universes they take place in, and are all about the stories(and theyre both badass too boot). Strong ladies too

So yeah, I'm cool with diversity and representation. A black Captain America is cool to me, that's a much needed change from Rodgers/Bucky after the last 80 years or whatever. Amadeus Cho is silly, recreating the Banner experiment is silly, but whatever. Nothing will top World War Hulk, so idc what happens with this. Giving someone Peter Parker's abilities and moniker is also a bit silly as well. And call her IronGirl or something, for the love of Odin.

I know why they're appropriating old hero titles for the new wave of SJW heroes: name recognition, because no one is going to blindly buy gay Koren Fabulous Hulk, but if you title it "the Incredible Hulk" and it's a big green dude, people will assume it's the same and buy. IronMan may be a small black teenage girl, but the cover had a red and gold man suit, people will buy. I'd prefer them to, for the most part, leave the old heroes in the same vein, and create new personae around these gay queer trans furry snowflake heroes, so that when sales are 0, they realize the crowd they're pandering too really don't give a shit about buying comic books, they're just bullies throwing their considerable weight around.

 

[Horse Style]

I bought it to learn how to draw the female figure. At least that was my excuse if my Mom ever found it.

"Mom, I bought these comics so I can practice sketching in my sketchbook. You're ruining my inner artist!!"

"Why are pages 3-28 stuck together, Junior?"

 

[drstrangelov]

Is your position that it's hard to have to consider market influence? That's literally ever day in every industry ever.

That's part of it, but I'd say people who enter the arts professionally likely hold a higher sense of value in their personal expression, so being shackled in expression by broad social trends would be more impactful in that field.

If you're just trying to make as much money as possible, you can take your feelings completely out of the equation. If you're looking to put a piece of yourself into the work, it's a little harder.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

But comics have always had female characters and bad ass female superhero leads..

and I would argue that those characters had more depth than the ones now. Female characters today lack a softer side. They are always angry about something. Compare that bitch Lightning from Final Fantasy to Aerith to see what I mean.

 

[Lanx]

Thank you for introducing me to Marjorie Liu.

Hubba hubba.

She's writing her own series Monstress, so far she seems pretty good at "world building"(creation and backdrop), i'd recommend it as a top 10 recent

This kind of begs the question, why does it hurt the comic in your eyes to have female characters? Maybe that sentiment is why they are trying to bring up the next generation of comic book characters with heroes other than white men. So that they are not inherently biased against any story about women.

If a woman character is written properly, no one would give a fuck and would welcome it

I'm having a hard time, but if i had to say, women written well it'd be the x-women in Astonishing X-men, whedons run. Others would say whatever girl Gail Simone is writing for... i actually don't like her work.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

But comics have always had female characters and bad ass female superhero leads.... I think it's cooler to see races diversified and you know, if people suddenly gained power and were gay before, they're gonna be gay after. I don't mind having homosexual heroes or female heroes. What I do mind is that they're trying to shove it down our throats. And I don't think transgenderism is something that should be celebrated and glorified. All this space-pony, xis/xer, stuff... That's mental illness and/or plain stupidity, young fools following the lead of other stupid people.

Thankfully, I don't read Marvel/DC these days. Pretty much only read Invincible by Robert Kirkman and Saga by Brian K. Vaughn(female artist on this one Fiona Staples, and her work is incredible). These are both have a pretty diverse cast by nature of the universes they take place in, and are all about the stories(and theyre both badass too boot). Strong ladies too

So yeah, I'm cool with diversity and representation. A black Captain America is cool to me, that's a much needed change from Rodgers/Bucky after the last 80 years or whatever. Amadeus Cho is silly, recreating the Banner experiment is silly, but whatever. Nothing will top World War Hulk, so idc what happens with this. Giving someone Peter Parker's abilities and moniker is also a bit silly as well. And call her IronGirl or something, for the love of Odin.

I know why they're appropriating old hero titles for the new wave of SJW heroes: name recognition, because no one is going to blindly buy gay Koren Fabulous Hulk, but if you title it "the Incredible Hulk" and it's a big green dude, people will assume it's the same and buy. IronMan may be a small black teenage girl, but the cover had a red and gold man suit, people will buy. I'd prefer them to, for the most part, leave the old heroes in the same vein, and create new personae around these gay queer trans furry snowflake heroes, so that when sales are 0, they realize the crowd they're pandering too really don't give a shit about buying comic books, they're just bullies throwing their considerable weight around.

Nobody creates anything original these days though. Everything is a remake of rehash of something old that was good. Look at Words with Friends. Those guys who made it were hailed as some kind of geniuses when all they did was take Scrabble and put it on a phone.

I fail to see how they are "shoving it down your throats." I think that is just a bullshit talking point, invented by people who are threatened by change, and repeated by those who don't think for themselves, and I think no matter how subtley they introduced these characters, you would still be saying they were shoving it down your throat. The difference is you would claim they are trying to be subversive or deceptively slipping in gay characters or whatever. They can't win no matter what they do.

 

[Lanx]

I fail to see how they are "shoving it down your throats." I think that is just a bullshit talking point, invented by people who are threatened by change, and repeated by those who don't think for themselves, and I think no matter how subtley they introduced these characters, you would still be saying they were shoving it down your throat. The difference is you would claim they are trying to be subversive or deceptively slipping in gay characters or whatever. They can't win no matter what they do.

Are you reading these comics? or just spewing off a talking point?

You sound like an old lady that recently gave a speech
“And if we kick them all out you’ll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts, which are not the arts.”

Cuz that old bitch knows nothing about mma and just "heard shit" from her friends.

Is change fine? sure if it's done well.

Not if it's ham fisted, you can't even called female-thor, female-thor, b/c she is just supposed to be known as Thor, she has "inherited" the name Thor b/c she is worthy, she is not She-Thor, just Thor.

Only everyone in the world calls her She-Thor, cuz everyone in the world only recognizes Thor as a blond male viking type.

Oh and ever since Real Hulk died, She-Hulk is now Hulk.
yes this one

You cannot call her SHE-Hulk anymore, she is just known as Hulk

IronMan, white boy Tony Stark is dead, HOWEVER

You have to call RiRi, a black female, IronMan, b/c???

There is no rhyme or rhythm to this... they just want to make the entire cast of The Avengers, girls, or change em since Cap is now black Cap.

Why? i guess to sell more?

 

[Alphafail]

I don't mind diversity at all, I think it's awesome in fact. Changing known super heroes for no reason other than to fit some minority and no context whatsoever? Yeah, that's cheap and bad.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Are you reading these comics? or just spewing off a talking point?

You sound like an old lady that recently gave a speech
“And if we kick them all out you’ll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts, which are not the arts.”

Cuz that old bitch knows nothing about mma and just "heard shit" from her friends.

Is change fine? sure if it's done well.

Not if it's ham fisted, you can't even called female-thor, female-thor, b/c she is just supposed to be known as Thor, she has "inherited" the name Thor b/c she is worthy, she is not She-Thor, just Thor.

Only everyone in the world calls her She-Thor, cuz everyone in the world only recognizes Thor as a blond male viking type.

Oh and ever since Real Hulk died, She-Hulk is now Hulk.
yes this one

You cannot call her SHE-Hulk anymore, she is just known as Hulk

IronMan, white boy Tony Stark is dead, HOWEVER

You have to call RiRi, a black female, IronMan, b/c???

There is no rhyme or rhythm to this... they just want to make the entire cast of The Avengers, girls, or change em since Cap is now black Cap.

Why? i guess to sell more?

I'm a grown up. I don't read comic books. There might be some validity to what you guys are saying. That does seem like a lot of female superheroes. And I think you guys would have a problem with it even if it was just one cthing mic they did like that. If you want proof, just search Mayberry and you will find this exact thread whenever a female character is introduced. It isn't like they reached some critical mass where you guys just said enough was enough. You all have been bitching about this since the first female character took over an iconic comic.

I realize some of that is that you wouldn't like any new character and are just resistant to them killing off your favorites. But a lot of it has to do with you guys just not wanting to see women as heroes. Case in point, how many new Batmans have there been (in the comics)? And I haven't seen one thread bitching about any of those guys.

But you don't have to read the comic books. So they are not shoving it down your throats. If it hurts sales, they'll stop doing it.

 

[Revolver]

lmao @ still reading comics.

 

[Lanx]

There might be some validity to what you guys are saying.

I literally showed in my post, how they have fundamentally changed the fucking Avengers

white man in iron suit is now black girl

white man turns green is now korean green

white man with hammer is now white girl with cancer

AND they have the same fuck name not she-thor, just Thor, not Ironwoman, just Ironman.

Aside from the Hulk, he is actually "totally awesome Hulk", but that is b/c She-Hulk, now takes the name "Hulk"

 

[lifelessheap]

I let all of my subscriptions expire in like 2006. Things started to go off the rails and I was going to wait to see if it got better, but all of Marvel fell off a cliff with this stuff. I was pretty much just an Xmen/Avengers/Spiderman dork and their shit was ruined enough to make me tap out.

I'm done forever. I was hoping to share my love of Marvel comics with my children, but they are only going to get to read the collection I already have. None of the new shit.

 

[lifelessheap]

The SJW shit is totally seeping into video games as well. Like badly.

It is also seeping into sports like football. I don't need pink cleats and woman this and woman that when I am trying to watch dudes trying to kill each other.

The radioactive leftist poison is infiltrating everywhere.

 

[Zer]

Milo did a podcast with some comic book writer which you might find interesting ts. Lotta talk about the influence of SJW's on the industry

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Comic books have never been more accepted and popular.
They are selling better than they have in 20 years and the stories coming out today are mostly great.

There's enough out there for almost anyone. There's even Uber, where the Nazi's conquer Europe and invade America. If you don't like a particular
book, for whatever reason, there's another book out there.

Diversity, feminism, "sjw" is killing absolutely nothing, anywhere. They don't even stifle conversations, at worst they move where the conversation will be located, to a different campus, or whatever.


Those are the facts.

Stupid people hate change and new perspectives. Don't be so stupid.

 

[Bob Gray]

I feel like they're being swayed by a vocal minority. I'm sure if you went to a comic convention and polled everyone that comes in if they like 13 year old black girl ironman as opposed to tony stark the overwhelming majority would say Hell no.

I think they're doing it to entice the market that doesn't go the those conventions. I feel like they're trying to bring in an audience that typically isn't buying comics.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

The SJW shit is totally seeping into video games as well. Like badly.

 

[Mike]

Eh it's not something libs are pushing them into doing, it's them flailing around trying to grab a new audience. It's not new in the comics industry, and they've been specifically targeting race since introducing Miles Morales as the new Ultimate Spider-man.


I'm not a huge fan, but I can see why they're trying to do it. I stopped following Marvel and DC about a decade ago, rankly they've both gone to shit for the most part.


Diversity itself is fine, but replacing every iconic character with some random minority, usually in the most ham-fisted way possible, isn't the way to do it.