Did UFC 309 affect Stipe's all-time ranking?

[El Diego]

I personally don't believe so, but I have seen people say he tarnished his legacy because he only showed up for a paycheck. To me, he is still the 2nd greatest heavyweight and the 9th greatest p4p fighter.

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Stipe Miocic
3. Fabricio Werdum
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 could be a buncha different guys (Cain, JDS, Ngannou, Barnett, Overeem, Randy etc.)

 

[VinceArch]

No. All of us knew he couldn't hang after such a long layoff, although we all hoped.

 

[WildShrimper]

It really shouldn't.

 

[El Diego]

It really shouldn't.

agreed

 

[AfroBanana]

A lot of people rank Nog 2 still (including myself) and he was 31 years old and 33 years old when Frank and Cain destroyed him. He got a loss to Roy Nelson when he was like 37. I’m sure Stipe being over 40 and losing to who most consider to all time GOAT can get a pass. Fedor was jab KO’ed by Bader around the same age, had many other embarrassing moments and he’s still considered HW GOAT by most. People act like going 1-1 with Francis and losing to undefeated JBJ in his 40’s after a layoff is disastrous…….. many fell further against worse and still have their legacy.

Nog went 7 wins 7 losses from turning 30 - retiring 38 and still has a legacy. Stipe can get a pass here.

 

[usernamee]

yes he's now a bum

 

[Oscar Madison]

No

 

[Wonderfight]

Absolutely not. Inconsequential fight as we all knew it even before it happened.

 

[AmonTobin]

Coming out of retirement didn’t affect his legacy, it tarnished Jon Jones’ for obvious reasons. This fight was largely irrelevant other than to demonstrate the type of opposition the belt holder is willing/unwilling to face.

 

[BarbellzNbacon]

Not for the hardcore fans. But for the CASUAL eye, unfortunately it IS going to affect his legacy. Casuals don't know any better

 

[whocares]

Legacy eh. The average person these days is too in love with themselves to give a shit what anyone else is doing, I think Stipe's legacy will be fine

 

[Pierced7681]

Stipe still the modern era heavyweight goat. Jones won’t stay at heavyweight much longer and Ngannou gave up his legacy for more money. Aspinall could surpass Stipe eventually, but he’s got a lot more work ahead of him still.

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

Absolutely not but I still completely disagree with anyone ranking him in the top 3.

Stipe was old and way over the hill in this fight so this was a borderline exhibition bout but he himself got WAY overpraised for beating guys who were also past their primes during his run on top. If Werdum didn't run swinging at him with his chin out like a mongoloid on meth, I would be completely underwhelmed with Stipe's resume. That was his best performance BY FAR and it was much more the result of Werdum being an idiot (which he tends to be quite often) than it was Stipe being some world beater.

He was a decent, middle of the pack HW who was in the right place at the right time. Prime vs Prime, he'd struggle to stay in the HW top 10 IMHO

 

[g*r*b]

Considering there are people insisting we should ignore everything on Fedor's record after 2010, I should bloody well hope not. It's almost the rule that fighters try to compete past the point their bodies can keep up. At least Stipe pulled the plug the second he lost twice in a row for the first time in his career. Thank God there won't be a long string of losses and the slow slide down the roster in vain search for a beatable opponent, like with BJ Penn and Tony Ferguson et al.

 

[DecisionSplit]

It was the worst Stipe ever looked in the octagon. He basically fought during retirement for a big paycheck. Then went back to being retired. Honestly just embarrassing all around for him, Jones, and the UFC.

 

[Richard Fannin]

Fedor was jab KO’ed by Bader around the same age

T'was a left hook


As for the thread... does a 59 years old Mike Tyson badly losing to some juiced up youtube baldie twice his size & half his age affect his all time ranking?

Jones vs Aspinall is the fight to make; sure, the Jones/Pereira bout is enticing, but Jones is so much bigger & has much better wrestling, and it could easily go the Jones/Gane route if Jones takes Alex down early.
Or it could go the Reyes route if Pereira is sharp, and this time the ref wouldn't fuck up the decision laybe?)

If Alex wants a big HW, let him bulk up have a Ciryl "Bon Gamin Bon Superfight" after the second Volkov fight (I'm not really excited by that rematch, I see it going the same way as the first bout, Cain/Bigfoot style, but Volkov earned it after his sweet streak post Aspinall beat down and if he wins, it's his ticket to a title shot, no more hiding under the octagone Jones

Very winnable fight for Gane, and it would impress the casuals and put his name on the map again

 

[TITS]

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Stipe Miocic
3. Fabricio Werdum
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

 

[HatKick]

Nah. Doesn't affect Jones' either. Pretty meaningless cash grab fight.

 

[DrMurrayDolphin]

No.

He was obviously physically shot in the Jones fight and was just collecting a paycheck.

Really, Miocic was never a particularly talented HW. He was essentially the American equivalent of Kharitonov at his peak. The HW division has been trash since Pride, which was the pinnacle of HW talent in MMA.

Prime Nog would have easily subbed Miocic. He may have even lost to Heath Herring.

 

[DrMurrayDolphin]

I personally don't believe so, but I have seen people say he tarnished his legacy because he only showed up for a paycheck. To me, he is still the 2nd greatest heavyweight and the 9th greatest p4p fighter.

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Stipe Miocic
3. Fabricio Werdum
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 could be a buncha different guys (Cain, JDS, Ngannou, Barnett, Overeem, Randy etc.)

Putting Werdum over Nog is a crime against humanity.

Nog, at any point in his career, had better striking and grappling than peak Werdum. It’s not even comparable.