Did Joe Riggs have the same effect as Sage/Conor coming up?

I remember watching it live and specifically remember them saying it was NOT a title fight bc he didn't make weight

That is correct, but the incident happened before the official weigh in took place. This was before the whole event started. Hence he said fuck it and started rehydrating and by that time it was too late since he started drinking water like crazy out of rage.

Here is a video of Riggs getting frustrated and losing his temper: Riggs rage starts around 1:02





Anyway, I am not sure how legit the story was but he never got in to deep shit with the UFC and or Dana White and after Hughes he fought again.
 
Fortunately he had all the potential, skills, power, aggressiveness fight IQ, etc to become a champion.
Didnt live up to it, along with weight issues and other issues obviously. Also heard personal life had alot to do with his downward spiral.
 
Nope he didnt. He was revered for having power but thatd about it.
 
Old school fan reporting in. Hell no, Diego made a name off him.
 
Riggs always had skills and was a tough dude but I never saw him as a future champion.

But I will tell you two very young stars that I predicted would be really good someday and they were also welterweights: Robbie Lawler and Nick Diaz.

When those two fought each other they were both young as hell. Anybody who was a fan back then could see how tough and skilled they were. We were all definitely good scouts on those two. Can't remember too many other 19 or 20 year old phenoms besides Vitor.

Now if you are just talking Sherdog crushes, Shogun in 2005 might have taken the cake. Rightfully so too. Before his knee injuries, young Shogun was extremely dominant and the best LHW for a couple years.
 
Riggs is known for being that guy who looks great in training/sparring and fails to deliver when it matters.
 
No he never made a huge splash like that, he was considered a good prospect, but not necessarily a world beater. He had the power to put on some brutal finishes, especially with GnP, but he was always considered beatable. Like he lost his second UFC fight very quickly to Ivan Salaverry, who was respected, but not considered a serious contender. People often say fighters are great in the gym, but often that's just because they are the top dog there and nobody is a challenge so they look extra good, or they are so used to competing against a top level guy they can hold their own or even get the best of somebody based on style.

I think around that era BJ Penn might be the closest to what we've seen with Conor and Sage. Then maybe Brandon Vera. A few fighters had great debuts, such as Pete Williams, like Sage, but never lived up to it. Frank Mir was considered a bit of a prodigy, he destroyed Roberto Traven, hurting him badly with a submission, then submitted Pete Williams fast. He had a blip with Ian Freeman, but submitted Tank Abbott in seconds, so people were a bit back on the hype train with him.

But the original was Vitor. Nobody saw anybody like him. He walked through people in seconds his first 4 fights or so until he was upset by Randy Couture. But those days they just didn't have media attention or anything like they do now, so it is hard to compare.
 
Old school fan reporting in. Hell no, Diego made a name off him.

this....

I feel that was the turning point ...that was the first free fight for the troops or something like that on Spike and lots of people saw that fight...Diego messed him up bad and quickly....if it had gone differently then I think Rigg's history with the UFC would have been more prominent
 
I don't remember Riggs specifically; he might've been a bit before my time, but I remember the era. There were, just like there have always been, young up-and-comers who were touted as sure future champs.

The difference between that era and today is that we understand what makes a great MMAist better now. Back then, a guy who was a good standup fighter who had some semblance of a guard game was considered a possible future champ.

You have to realize that back then, most guys were very one dimensional and our idea of a well-rounded fighter was Muay Thai + BJJ, and we figured a young guy who could do both (like Riggs) was a step ahead of the game. And for the most part, that was true then. Wrestlers mostly sucked at striking and wanted it on the mat, but often weren't comfortable against a decent guard player. So we figured the Muay Thai guy would have better striking because, hey, MT > everything else (yes, we really thought that) and if the wrestler took him down, he'd be shut down or subbed.

So we got guys like Brandon Vera and Riggs who I guess you could say were our Conor/Sage type prospects. But our eyes for great fighters are better than back then. There are loads of well rounded guys now. To stand out, you have to be more obviously special, and more memorably dominant than before. It's not enough now to look like a complete fighter on paper. You have to actually go out and win, and look like you'd be a tough fight for anyone, even the guys at the top.

Dude, please, just stop. You said enough in your first sentence. You "don't remember" (ie. You didn't see any of it and have no perspective worth sharing).

You seriously believe that fighters 6 years back were one dimensional and light years behind fighters today, you're just a moron sucking the UFC hype machine.
 
If I recall correctly Riggs landed a elbow that cut Lytle forcing a Referee stoppage ....I good sneaky shot , but Ts makes it seem like he pounded him out

Riggs bashed the shit out of Lytle, rocked him badly with huge GnP
 
Riggs always had skills and was a tough dude but I never saw him as a future champion.

But I will tell you two very young stars that I predicted would be really good someday and they were also welterweights: Robbie Lawler and Nick Diaz.

When those two fought each other they were both young as hell. Anybody who was a fan back then could see how tough and skilled they were. We were all definitely good scouts on those two. Can't remember too many other 19 or 20 year old phenoms besides Vitor.

Now if you are just talking Sherdog crushes, Shogun in 2005 might have taken the cake. Rightfully so too. Before his knee injuries, young Shogun was extremely dominant and the best LHW for a couple years.

there was 4 young fighters that stood out from the rest around that time Robbie, Nick, Karo and GsP
 
Riggs bashed the shit out of Lytle, rocked him badly with huge GnP

Exactly! He unleashed a vicious ground and pound on Chris Lytle and did a great job on the ground when it came to scramble and even attempted a gogopalta or an omoplata.
 
No. Riggs had some wondering about his potential but then things played out the way they did.
 
No, he was just one of those guys that everyone said was a beast in training but wasn't as good in real fights. He was missing something that the greats have that allows them to put it all together and fight as well if not better than they train.
 
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