Did GSP get heat like Jon Jones for ducking entire MW division?

[ChickenBrother]

None of the top guys were as vulnerable to Jones' wrestling as Gane was.

Jones returned at the precise moment he wouldn't have to fight a dangerous champion for the belt. With Gane coming off a loss, nobody was more deserving than anyone else and Gane was selected to fight Jones precisely because of the likely mismatch it presented, which we saw repeated again with Stipe.

Gane wasn’t coming off a loss - he KOed Tuivasa after losing his TS against Ngannou. And Ngannou was his only loss.

Again, I’m not saying Gane wasn’t a favorable match up for Jones. But he had as much of a claim to a TS as anyone else in the division at the time and arguably the most.

 

[don't ask]

Gane wasn’t coming off a loss - he KOed Tuivasa after losing his TS against Ngannou. And Ngannou was his only loss.

Again, I’m not saying Gane wasn’t a favorable match up for Jones. But he had as much of a claim to a TS as anyone else in the division at the time and arguably the most.

He was coming off a recently-0failed title shot. He was selected to fight Jones because he was weak to Jones in a way top other fighters weren't. Not sure why you want to keep going in circles with this.

Let me ask you something: what's the motivation of a poster like you? Like, you see my post, not addressed to you and pointing out the fact that Jones fought Gane because he was uniquely vulnerable, just like Stipe, and you decide to respond with a bunch of repetitious bullshit that tries to sidestep the facts. Why?

 

[Mind Mine]

GSP got a ton of shit after he retired.
To the point where I thought it was sad how many MMA fans accused him of "faking colitis just to get out of facing bigger stronger opponents" ( Maybe they were right. But they had no proof )

Bisping also got shit for wanting to get revenge against a low ranked Hendo.
Rather than fighting contenders like Bobby, Yoel, Moose.

What IS ducking then - other than being intelligent and picking low risk fights?
I don't think any UFC fighters are legit scared of anyone, when they are disinterested in a fight it's only because they find the risk vs reward is not good enough.

And regarding "UFC never offering" - we all know the offers made by UFC are largely based on what fighters are interested in. As Dana has harped on the fact that Jon vs Stipe was going down largely because both guys showed massive interest in that fight, instead of Aspinall. If Jon would've shown interest in Aspinall instead - UFC would've offered.

Fact A Jones did not pick that fight nor has he picked a fucking fight his entire career other than choosing not to fight Chael. It’s kinda.., not his job. This is just what sherdog does for convo and I find it severely lame if you understand how things work. The UFC RIGHTLY chose to let Jones fight Stipe as a legacy fight and the bigger name draw and Stipe having earned the right to fight at the top or retire AT ANY POINT being UFC HW GOAT. That’s what we both SHOULD know so all of this child like talk of ducking when the UFC DIDNT WANT THE ASPINALL FIGHT is outright shitposting. That is Jones Derangement as you have promoted him to matchmaker which he is not, has never been, and wont be and hasn’t to this fucking date done shit but fight on the agreed upon date

 

[HHJ]

He had heat for leaving the sport after the Hendricks fight, heat for coming back right into a MW title fight and heat for giving it up without a defense, but it wasnt as bad as it is with Jones for a few reasons.

1) Genuinely nice guy

2) He gave up the title right away, so he didnt waste any more time than he had to.

3) He dont constantly throw his weight around that he's the goat, or call Robert Whittaker an asshole or a bum, as the reason why he wont fight him, he put the blame on himself.

 

[Streeter]

You mean division he cleaned out?

 

[DesiredUserName]

jones? duck? yawn. That story is as old as him ducking Cormier at HW... where he KNEW that he would lose.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Fact A Jones did not pick that fight nor has he picked a fucking fight his entire career other than choosing not to fight Chael. It’s kinda.., not his job. This is just what sherdog does for convo and I find it severely lame if you understand how things work. The UFC RIGHTLY chose to let Jones fight Stipe as a legacy fight and the bigger name draw and Stipe having earned the right to fight at the top or retire AT ANY POINT being UFC HW GOAT. That’s what we both SHOULD know so all of this child like talk of ducking when the UFC DIDNT WANT THE ASPINALL FIGHT is outright shitposting. That is Jones Derangement as you have promoted him to matchmaker which he is not, has never been, and wont be and hasn’t to this fucking date done shit but fight on the agreed upon date

Someone "letting you" do something is a pretty roundabout way of saying you picked it, just that they share in the responsibility. Especially when you go on to say they were right to let him.

 

[Mind Mine]

Someone "letting you" do something is a pretty roundabout way of saying you picked it, just that they share in the responsibility. Especially when you go on to say they were right to let him.

No my son I assure you no matter how much you want to lie stretch the truth and offer a promotion Jones job with the company has never been matchmaker and he has never had any input on who he fought other than Chael. I’m sorry friend but this is simply the truth and we can say FUCK JONES and whatever you decide there but you spinning a big ass lie filled with childlike logic is shitposting. It never occurred

 

[Mind Mine]

Someone "letting you" do something is a pretty roundabout way of saying you picked it, just that they share in the responsibility. Especially when you go on to say they were right to let him.

You Sir have fallen victim to parading the latest Jones naysay but have been so used to doing it you didn’t take time to say “that makes no fucking sense that isn’t on the fighter”. Had you have done that NONE OF THIS SHIT you are typing would have occurred. Being you have a bias about a person that would hinder you from logic what do you expect other than you look stupid?

 

[ChickenBrother]

He was coming off a recently-0failed title shot. He was selected to fight Jones because he was weak to Jones in a way top other fighters weren't. Not sure why you want to keep going in circles with this.

Let me ask you something: what's the motivation of a poster like you? Like, you see my post, not addressed to you and pointing out the fact that Jones fought Gane because he was uniquely vulnerable, just like Stipe, and you decide to respond with a bunch of repetitious bullshit that tries to sidestep the facts. Why?

Bro, it's OK to disagree and I don't have any beef with you or anyone else on this forum. I'm not a Jones fan but as a fight fan I acknowledge his accomplishments and I also enjoy discussing his and other fighters' performances (including context) on this here karate forum. Jones is far from a one-dimensional MMA wrestler and I believe he would have beaten any other HW then in the UFC when he fought Gane last year.

Clearly you disagree and that's fine. We both acknowledge Gane was not expected to outwrestle Jones but I don't see him as the handpicked squash match you seem to think he was. Gane TKOed knock out artist (and strong MMA wrestler) Derrick Lewis when Lewis was 4-0 in his last 4 including a KO over (strong wrestler) Blaydes in his previous fight. That's what earned Gane his TS vs. Ngannou. Coming off that loss, Gane then KO'ed Tuivasa who himself was on a 5-fight win streak of all KOs and TKOs (including KO over Lewis). So when Gane fought Jones, he was 11-1 with that 1 via decision loss to Ngannou, who had left the UFC.

So I ask you again:

1) Who was more deserving than Gane to fight Jones for the vacant HW strap in March of 2023?
2) Which UFC HW if any, could have outwrestled Jones let alone beaten him in MMA?

 

[don't ask]

Bro, it's OK to disagree and I don't have any beef with you or anyone else on this forum.

Then please listen to what I'm actually writing and stop asking questions that are completely irrelevant to the fact that Gane was a favourable match-up for Jones and, based on what we've seen since, probably hand-picked for that reason.

Jones is far from a one-dimensional MMA wrestler and I believe he would have beaten any other HW then in the UFC when he fought Gane last year.

Clearly you disagree and that's fine.

I never once said otherwise.

We both acknowledge Gane was not expected to outwrestle Jones but I don't see him as the handpicked squash match you seem to think he was.

I never once said this.

So I ask you again:

1) Who was more deserving than Gane to fight Jones for the vacant HW strap in March of 2023?

You acknowledge that nobody was standing out as an obvious contender, so this question is stupid. There doesn't need to be a more deserving contender
for it to be true that Gane was a favourable match-up for Jones and, based on everything that's happened since, pretty likely picked because of it.

2) Which UFC HW if any, could have outwrestled Jones let alone beaten him in MMA?

You acknowledge that Gane was a favourable match-up for Jones, so this question is stupid. There doesn't need to be a fighter who could have outwrestled or beaten jones for it to be true that Gane was a favourable match-up for Jones and, based on everything that's happened since, pretty likely picked because of it.

The reason I asked why you're talking to me is because you started a conversation to argue with things I'm not saying and asking questions that direct the conversation away from the facts that are unfavourable to Jones.

 

[Skarsgard]

GSP disappointed a lot of fans when he started to never finish fights. I think Dan Hardy was when it sunk in that he's playing it safe.

Personally I don't blame him for not fighting Anderson, but Hendricks was a robbery and Bisping was a cherry pick. Yeah he got his fair share of roasting.

Funny enough, he refused to take risks in the Hardy fight because he got KO'd bad in camp right before the fight. Train with the best and all.

 

[Poirierfan]

Did GSP get as much heat as Jones for hand-picking Bisping, promising to not retire, and then ducking entire MW division?

Or is it just bias against Jones for refusing Aspinall?

Did Sherdog treat GSP with same energy?

Not even in the same ball park. GSP was sick and didn't think he'd get any better, that why he released the belt. GSP has talked about this and you know it. What a garbage thread and a garbage comparison.

 

[icemun]

Did GSP get as much heat as Jones for hand-picking Bisping, promising to not retire, and then ducking entire MW division?

Or is it just bias against Jones for refusing Aspinall?

Did Sherdog treat GSP with same energy?

No sir

For the same reason people think he was natty