Did Aziz's accuser single handedly kill the #metoo movement?

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Don't get me wrong, I think the whole movement has been a huge net positive. There were a lot of really grimey dudes doing some fucked up things to women, and now these guys will forever have to worry that their abuse will be unearthed and they'll lose their careers in a split second.

But I feel like since the Aziz accusation thing came out, the energy changed and a precedent has been set where people are a bit more skeptical. Maybe some people who claim to be victims, aren't actually victims. Maybe people lie.

I feel like we were pressured into thinking that everyone who made an accusation was to be believed 100%, even in the absence of any real proof or evidence, and that if someone FELT they were a victim, we had to accept them as victims.

Then this woman's mediocre "accusation" came out where we found out that Aziz pressured her into a sexual act and ordered white wine, even though she TOTALLY wanted red wine. And I think people all across the board were not really having it.

Do you think this puts a damper on the witch hunt aspect of the movement?

 

[Goonerview]

Trump says "Pussy" in a private conversation and gets people marching in their thousands against him.

But those standards, Ansari should be put in prison.

The media are starting to sympathise with Ansari, but IMO, if he was a straight white male, he would be thrown well and truly under the bus.

 

[Rational Poster]

No

 

[BEER]

Trump says "Pussy" in a private conversation and gets people marching in their thousands against him.

But those standards, Ansari should be put in prison.

The media are starting to sympathise with Ansari, but IMO, if he was a straight white male, he would be thrown well and truly under the bus.

This. Ansari is a Person of Color and a Good Ally, so he gets the "benefit of the doubt", when what he did was much worse than some of the other accusations that came out. If he was a white dude, there would be none of the scrutiny. Feminists who will preach that you can revoke consent at any time are backing Ansari, who continued after consent was revoked.

Bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Billy no mates]

But I feel like since the Aziz accusation thing came out, the energy changed and a precedent has been set where people are a bit more skeptical. Maybe some people who claim to be victims, aren't actually victims. Maybe people lie.

But she didn't lie she seems to have been fairly honest and people have reacted accordingly , ie that a shit date and some awkward and/or unsatisfactory sex doesn't equate to assault or rape and this 'Girl' should fuck of and let the grown ups talk about the serious stuff .

 

[Sketch]

No

Yes

 

[AndrewSUFC]

Trump says "Pussy" in a private conversation and gets people marching in their thousands against him.

Are you sure it was because he said 'pussy', and not the 'grab them by the...' or the 'I don't even wait' bits? Or, y'know, the 15-20 women accusing him of assault and/or harassment thing?

 

[spamking]

Don't get me wrong, I think the whole movement has been a huge net positive. There were a lot of really grimey dudes doing some fucked up things to women, and now these guys will forever have to worry that their abuse will be unearthed and they'll lose their careers in a split second.

But I feel like since the Aziz accusation thing came out, the energy changed and a precedent has been set where people are a bit more skeptical. Maybe some people who claim to be victims, aren't actually victims. Maybe people lie.

I feel like we were pressured into thinking that everyone who made an accusation was to be believed 100%, even in the absence of any real proof or evidence, and that if someone FELT they were a victim, we had to accept them as victims.

Then this woman's mediocre "accusation" came out where we found out that Aziz pressured her into a sexual act and ordered white wine, even though she TOTALLY wanted red wine. And I think people all across the board were not really having it.

Do you think this puts a damper on the witch hunt aspect of the movement?

Does it kill the movement? No.

Does it put a damper on the movement or how the movement proceeds from here moving forward? Yes.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes

No

 

[Rational Poster]

Trump says "Pussy" in a private conversation and gets people marching in their thousands against him.

But those standards, Ansari should be put in prison.

The media are starting to sympathise with Ansari, but IMO, if he was a straight white male, he would be thrown well and truly under the bus.

lol Trump didn't just say pussy. Man are you daft.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Single handedly kill? No. But it did confirm what many where saying during the flood coming out, that any woman can claim a past sexual experience was assault whether it was or wasn’t

Even the (non batshit crazy) feminists are having to respond to nip this, that just because you were uncomfortable but never actually said no doesn’t make it abuse/rape and belittles those that actually survived sexual assault

I mean, she went back to his place, he ate her out, then asked for a blowie back which she claims to feel pressured to do but willingly did it, and then years later says he took advantage of her.

 

[Goonerview]

lol Trump didn't just say pussy. Man are you daft.

My point stands. What Ansari did was FAR worse. But he gets sympathy and people making allowances for him

 

[Goonerview]

Are you sure it was because he said 'pussy', and not the 'grab them by the...' or the 'I don't even wait' bits? Or, y'know, the 15-20 women accusing him of assault and/or harassment thing?

My point stands. Thousands, 10s of thousands marched in the streets over a private conversation.

Weinstein and Ansari get a free pass.

We call this hypocrisy.

 

[Rational Poster]

My point stands. What Ansari did was FAR worse. But he gets sympathy and people making allowances for him

He gets sympathy because he's just a douchebag comedian and what happened was consensual yet awkward sexual encounter with a fan. He still comes off looking like a creep, so I'm not really sure why you try make this false equivalence.

Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

There is a difference. Your point doesn't still stand and you're mentally defective if you think it does.

 

[TheGreatA]

I would say that the movement is already yesterday's news. We are running through these sorts of things at a very fast pace now.

 

[woodguyatl]

My point stands. Thousands, 10s of thousands marched in the streets over a private conversation.

Weinstein and Ansari get a free pass.

We call this hypocrisy.

How exactly is Weinstein getting a free pass?

 

[all caps]

No

Quite possibly

 

[Goonerview]

He gets sympathy because he's just a douchebag comedian and what happened was consensual yet awkward sexual encounter with a fan. He still comes off looking like a creep, so I'm not really sure why you try make this false equivalence.

Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

There is a difference. Your point doesn't still stand and you're mentally defective if you think it does.

It doesn't matter, we are all supposed to be equal under the law ...

You think he gets a pass because he's a comedian ... I would suggest that he gets a pass because he's brown/Muslim, Weinstein gets a pass because he's Jewish/Democrat.

If Ansari was white, he'd be thrown under the bus and shown no mercy and you know it.

 

[Rational Poster]

It doesn't matter, we are all supposed to be equal under the law ...

You think he gets a pass because he's a comedian ... I would suggest that he gets a pass because he's brown/Muslim, Weinstein gets a pass because he's Jewish/Democrat

Law?

What the fuck are you talking about.

Trump hasn't been charged with anything and neither has Aziz.

If you think he's getting a pass you're not paying attention.

Weinstein is getting a pass? Are you really brain dead?

 

[drstrangelov]

The momentum behind outing celebrities for their sexual advances slowed a little as the stories became more and more mundane. Overexposure will kill the impetus behind the movement, and this is an example of the kind of story that shouldn't have made national news, but did anyway, so it's partly to blame.

There was a huge amount of blowback about an Atlantic piece on this story early in the week, but it hit home on a couple point. It noted that not freaking out and leaving when you feel violated undermines the idea that you've been violated.

It also exposed, inadvertently, a difficult truth for the whole movement, that a lot of the infrastructure for outrage is only really designed for stories where white men are at fault. Once the accused owns some inherent protected status, a lot of the news outlets that propagate these stories have more difficulty expressing the same level of condemnation. Hell, the next day Seal was accused of sexual battery, considerably more damning than anything Louis CK did, and that was in the news for less than a day.