So, this is a development I've seen in the Netherlands and I'm wondering if others here have seen the same occur where they're from. First, a little explanation of the Dutch system, then and now. The old Dutch kickboxing fight scene consisted of 4 classes. The Beginner class was 2x2 or 3x1.5 minutes and the C class was 3x2 minutes. Both classes used modified Muay Thai rules, with clinching allowed, but no knees to the head. The B class, the semi pros, used 5x2 minutes and knees to the head were allowed. The A-class, the pros, basically used MT rules with or without elbows, depending on the opponent and his wishes. When K-1 got really big in the late '90's, early '00's, this all changed. It all started when single matches in the A-class started to be contested under K1 rules, 3x3 minutes. Then people figured that 3x3 is almost the same as 5x2, so B-class matches under K-1 rules started to occur. Nowadays, even the Beginner and C-class matches are sometimes held under K-1 rules, but because they were never allowed to knee to the head anyway, this basically just means no clinching allowed. Because of this change Dutch trainers train less clinching than they already did in earlier years. There are a couple of things that bother me about this. 1) Trainers completely neglect one very specific figting distance. An often-heard complaint, especially in the Netherlands, is that clinching disrupts the flow of the fight. Of course it does, because Dutch fighters have no idea what to do in the clinch. If you completely neglect one prime distance, how are you ever develop any fluidity in your attacks? 2) Dutch fighters have really turned into spambots and have no idea of ring generalship. A good example of this was the match between Chahid and Sudsakorn. Chahid is, in my opinion, the epitome of a Dutch-style spambot and he got completely dismantled by Sud. 3) Dutch fighters physically are not capable of fighting 5 rounds anymore. Kiria vs Ristie was not a fluke. Kiria comes from a Kyokushin background, has supreme conditioning and a learned ability to deal with damage throughout a fight or tourney. Ristie is, just like Chahid, a newer generation Dutch kickboxer, who has barely ever fought 5 rounds. Dutch kickboxers losing to people like Kyshenko (pre-Mike's Gym) and Levin is something some people in the Netherlands have been warning about for years. Countries like Ukraine and Russia has a pretty big amateur Muay Thai scene and just deliver more complete fighters than the Netherlands does or can do at the moment. These guys were taught a much more complete game from the beginning, have much better ring generalship because of it and have much less problems adapting to a rule set like K-1's or Glory's than the Dutch would have the other way around. Have the fight scenes in other countries undergone a similar change and what are your thoughts about it?