Elections Democratic Road to 2016 Primary Thread

Denter said:
What do you think of Webb? I heard him on the radio and he sounds interesting.
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I personally like Webb. Guy earned the navy cross, silver star and two Purple Hearts from Vietnam. Also liked his latest message on the shape of the Democratic Party.
 
Denter said:
What do you think of Webb? I heard him on the radio and he sounds interesting.
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He's OK. I kind of think he'd do better in a general than Clinton (as he wouldn't lose votes for his gender, and he'd be more competitive among racists).
 
Jack V Savage said:
He's OK. I kind of think he'd do better in a general than Clinton (as he wouldn't lose votes for his gender, and he'd be more competitive among racists).
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His southerness and crackerness sure don't hurt.

His much younger Vietnamese wife might.
 
wisdom blows said:
This poll was done on 65% landline, and everyone polled was 50 years of age or older. This is wildly inaccurate.
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Head to heads are hard to even get an accurate number during the primary stage. Can't really get anything reliable until the tickets are determined.
 
Yeah give me Webb. OR someone who does not appear to be for the corporate elite like Clinton is.

Obviously Clinton over whatever the hell the GOP is likely to pick out of the trash bin.
 
Things like this give me hope. Rahm got taken to a runoff by a low-funds, unknown, but more progressive Democrat in Chicago yesterday:

Rahm Emanuel
 
CNN debate criteria would allow Joe Biden to participate

(CNN)Vice President Joe Biden will be invited to participate in the first Democratic presidential primary debate if he declares his intention to seek his party's nomination as late as the day of the debate, eligibility criteria released Monday by CNN shows.
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Candidate Criteria for the October 13, 2015 CNN-Facebook
Democratic Presidential Primary Debate


I guess we know why they keep including Biden in the polling questions...
 
The only one on the list I would vote for is Bernie, and maybe Warren just to spook the mega donors, who actually control our country.
Bernie and Warren have no shot.
Hildog's war chests are over flowing, she has a strong infrastructure but she is a terrible human being. Since money drives elections, it will be Jeb vs Hildog.
 
Clinton raises $28 million but Sanders’ haul is too close for comfort
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Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton’s campaign barely outpaced Bernie Sanders’ in the third quarter of 2015, a surprising development that shows the insurgent candidate’s strength while the former secretary of state struggles.
Clinton’s operation raised more than $28 million in the third quarter after a grueling fundraising schedule, compared to just over $24 million for the Vermonter — who raised his money largely from online donations, and few in-person fundraising events.
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Sanders campaign raises over $24 million in third quarter
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Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign raised over $24 million in the third quarter of 2016, the campaign confirmed Wednesday.
Sanders campaign spokeswoman Symone Sanders said the Vermont senator expected to report raising over $24 million over three months in his run for the Democratic nomination, a hefty total given that Sanders has proudly touted his refusal to endorse supporters forming a super PAC.
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Nation's largest teachers union endorses Clinton for president
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The National Education Association defied some of its state affiliates Saturday with an endorsement of Hillary Clinton for president, which came after an in-person, closed-door conversation between members and Clinton herself.
“This is exactly the right time if you’re going to impact the primaries,” NEA President Lily Eskelsen García told POLITICO after about 75 percent of the 175-member NEA board voted to endorse Clinton.
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Eskelsen García called it a resounding endorsement, adding: “If we want to have education’s voice in this primary debate, you get involved now.”
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Biden previews battle against Clinton
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No one meant Saturday to be the first head-to-head contest of the Democratic primary season, except perhaps Joe Biden.
The vice president, who keeps jumping at chances to play footsie with the 2016 race, charged into the annual dinner of the country’s largest gay-rights group, scoring a rock star’s welcome as he lit up the room with fiery swings at the Republican field.
“There are homophobes still left,” he said at the Human Rights Campaign’s black-tie dinner in Washington. “Most of them are running for president, I think.”
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Obama treads lightly between Hillary and Joe
President Barack Obama walked a delicate line during a press conference on Friday, trying to be even-handed between his former secretary of state, who is running for president, and his vice president, who might challenge her for the Democratic nomination.
It was the kind of balancing act that is likely to become routine for the president if Joe Biden enters the presidential contest against front-runner Hillary Clinton.
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Obama defended Clinton from a reporter's suggestion that her proposals might be "half-baked," insisting that she knows what she's talking about even though she has suggested a different approach to the Syrian conflict.
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Buffett: Elizabeth Warren Is Too 'Angry and Demonizing'
Warren Buffett thinks Elizabeth Warren would be more effective if she weren't so "angry."

"I think that she would do better if she was less angry and demonizing," the 84-year-old Berkshire Hathaway CEO said of the fiery Democratic senator, who has often articulated anti-Wall Street positions, on Monday, according to Business Insider. "I'm not sure that I've fully convinced Elizabeth Warren that that's the way to go."

Speaking on CNBC's Squawk Box, Buffett, an investment guru who gave his first-ever donation to an independent political group in December with a maximum-allowable $25,000 check to Ready for Hillary, said compromise is a better posture during a time of "divided government."
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Exclusive: Biden eyes weekend decision
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He’s finally close. Confidants of Vice President Joe Biden expect him to make a decision next weekend, or shortly thereafter, on whether to launch an epic battle with Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Several people who have visited Biden recently said he seems to be leaning “yes.”
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“Nothing he has heard in the past couple of months has deterred him,” said one Democrat close to the process.
A former Senate colleague of Biden’s said, after visiting the vice president, “He loves what he does, and he has a great deal of confidence that he could contribute in a meaningful way. He’s willing to face, ultimately, having his final political expedition be a defeat.”
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Eric Braverman Tried to Change the Clinton Foundation. Then He Quit.
In December, the board of the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation approved a salary of more than $395,000, plus bonus, for its Yale-educated CEO, Eric Braverman, while voting to extend his board term through 2017, according to sources familiar with the arrangement. Braverman, who had worked with Chelsea Clinton at the prestigious McKinsey & Company consultancy, had been brought in with the former first daughter
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Exclusive: Biden himself leaked word of his son's dying wish
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Joe Biden has been making his 2016 deliberations all about his late son since August.
Aug. 1, to be exact — the day renowned Hillary Clinton-critic Maureen Dowd published a column that marked a turning point in the presidential speculation.
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According to multiple sources, it was Biden himself who talked to her, painting a tragic portrait of a dying son, Beau’s face partially paralyzed, sitting his father down and trying to make him promise to run for president because "the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.”
It was no coincidence that the preliminary pieces around a prospective campaign started moving right after that column. People read Dowd and started reaching out, those around the vice president would say by way of defensive explanation. He was just answering the phone and listening.
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@Lead Salad: you're doing an outstanding job on both of these threads. Thanks for the content!
 
Hillary Clinton comes out against Obama’s Pacific trade deal
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton announced Wednesday that she opposes an expansive 12-nation Pacific Rim free-trade accord finalized by the Obama administration this week, breaking sharply with the president over a deal she had championed while serving as secretary of state.

Clinton said in an interview with PBS that she would not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) based on what she knows of the deal. The 30-chapter text of the agreement, which negotiators concluded Monday, has not been made public.
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Hillary Clinton Opposes Obama’s Trans-Pacific Trade Deal
Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday that she did not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the 12-nation trade pact that President Obama has championed and liberals in the Democratic Party have vehemently opposed.

After a prolonged period in which Mrs. Clinton avoided weighing in on the controversial trade agreement, she told PBS that she opposed the deal. “As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it,” she said on a stop in Mount Vernon, Iowa. “I don’t believe it is going to meet the high bar I have set.”

Mrs. Clinton, who had been involved in the early stages of the agreement as secretary of state, expressed particular concerns about “currency manipulation not being part of the agreement,” something she has said she would be monitoring the final deal for.
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Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton voiced her opposition Wednesday to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, bucking her former boss and creating more distance between herself and possible primary rival Vice President Joe Biden.
“What I know about it, as of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it,” the former secretary of state said in an interview with PBS News Hour. "I don't believe it's going to meet the high bar I have set."
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Why I wanted a real field. I'm not a Hillary fan and just knew that she was gonna screw something up. She'll probably get through this but something else will come up.
 
Hillary Clinton to Propose High-Frequency Trading Tax, Volcker Rule Changes
Hillary Clinton will propose a tax aimed at penalizing “harmful” high-frequency trading strategies and offer ways to strengthen the Volcker Rule, as she unveils another set of proposals Thursday aimed at what she has termed risky Wall Street behavior.
The Democratic presidential front-runner plans to call for a tax targeting trading strategies that rely heavily on order cancellations, a Clinton aide said Wednesday, previewing her announcements on the condition of anonymity.
 
Lol, she is so transparent.

Promotes it 45 times.
Makes a very ambiguous statement about the treaty to appease the left.
As soon as it's clear she won't have to vote on it or push it thru Congress, she ups her rhetoric.


Here's the kicker, she cites the TPP's not addressing currency manipulation as her reason.

That was never part of the treaty.

So why the change?
Where did she ... Evolve?

Silver lining: her podium might be enough to keep it from getting passed.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
@Lead Salad: you're doing an outstanding job on both of these threads. Thanks for the content!
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Thanks, glad you appreciate it.

Diamond Jim said:
Why I wanted a real field. I'm not a Hillary fan and just knew that she was gonna screw something up. She'll probably get through this but something else will come up.
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With the field so shallow on her side, she kinda is already getting attacked this early in the process. First the foreign donations thing came out and now the emails will probably become a lingering story. I haven't seen any of it reach tv news. Just a lot of news articles online. It may come back in the GE though as a topic.
 
Now I really hope Biden runs
 
O'Malley hardly has the name recognition, but he has the chops to beat the Clinton machine. My only beef is, early on he went to the Clintons, hat in hand, asking if he could run. Fuck that. If you want the presidency, you take it.
 
Gandhi said:
Emails ? These scandals are so lame...I need a sweater stat

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html
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The story standing alone likely won't mean much but if you look at the narrative that's developing, people are trying to frame Hillary as an corrupt lifetime Washington insider. Little stories like this help build on that picture. Parties do this all the time to opposing candidates. If your campaign can successful stereotype the other side negatively, you have a good chance at winning. The most surprising thing I'm seeing from these stories is they are coming from the New York Times. I'm unsure if they are hoping for a different candidate than Hillary or they want to publish the dirt on her before the election is in full swing.

Romney easily got characterized early in 2012 as rich and out of touch. The media even took things out of context to further that perception. At one of his rallies, he was trying to explain how the private sector drives innovation that affects American's daily lives. He used an example of touch screen ordering at gas stations to get fast food. The media took the portion of the clip about him being excited about the touch screen and then presented the narrative he just found out about them and is so rich he didn't know they existed.

Prime example where a candidate was actually trying to portray the exact opposite image (talking about everyday innovations American's enjoy) and the media fitting it into the narrative they've decided (rich out of touch guy running for president)

Here is an opposing article from the Daily Beast as well:
You Better Believe Hillary Clinton’s Emails Matter
 
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Why Clinton’s TPP opposition unnerves me
Why Clinton's TPP opposition unnerves me

Perfect summation and why everybody, especially her supporters, should be wary of Hillary Clinton and her rhetoric.

Clinton keeps taking positions that are ... hard to believe


On Wednesday, Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, saying that she's concerned with the provisions around pharmaceuticals and the absence of provisions around currency manipulation. But as Tim Lee notes, Clinton strongly supported early versions of the deal — she called the TPP "the gold standard in trade agreements" — that were worse on pharmaceuticals and identical on currency manipulation.

Again, the argument here isn't that there aren't reasons to oppose the TPP, but rather that knowing Clinton's record, her advisers, and her past comments about the deal, it's hard to believe Clinton really opposes the TPP deal.
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