Demian Maia is the GOAT of BJJ ?

[superpunch]

What separates a guy like Maia from doing so good in MMA from Roger Gracie who is so good at BJJ and not a world champion level fighter?

 

[JustOnce]

What separates a guy like Maia from doing so good in MMA from Roger Gracie who is so good at BJJ and not a world champion level fighter?

King Mo's career didn't go as well as people expected him to, but he would be literally a kryptonite for bjj based fighter. I would pick him over any bjj based fighter in the history of MMA. His wrestling is world class, just his top game lacks to keep people there, which he wouldn't have to worry about.

Tim Kennedy, as much as I hate the guy, that guy is also a hard fight for bjj fighter too. Maia at MW vs Tim Kennedy at MW would have been a real tough fight for both, and would be a pretty ugly fight too.

I think those are only his two losses, and I really think it might be more of a level of commitment, Maia just kept on with it, in spite of his losses, but Roger didn't look like he was as invested in it as Maia, but that was the feeling I got.

 

[mcf4]

Takedowns

 

[TheIrishPsycho]

Maia's control works better for MMA, he can take a punch and has developed K1 level striking.

He's also a big dude fighting really small guys.

 

[loisestrad]

What separates a guy like Maia from doing so good in MMA from Roger Gracie who is so good at BJJ and not a world champion level fighter?

What seperates them is that being good at one thing doesn't mean you're necessarily good at another. Which, apparently, some people have a hard time comprehending.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Maia yes best so far

 

[LouisBolanos]

Roger Gracie is one of these delusional Gracies who actually believe in the nonsense that Gracie BJJ is the be-all end-all of fighting and thus never fully committed to learning the other aspects of MMA. Maia despite being a terrible athletes actually tried really hard to learn K-1 striking.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Maia actually improved in the other aspects of MMA. His BJJ has always been world class but his striking and more importantly his wrestling has gotten noticable better over the years.

Roger Gracie, like the other Gracies, thought that they could beat anyone just practicing BJJ all day.

 

[Chivas GDL]

Legit lost to Shields on a super exciting fireworks grappling war.

 

[chinarice]

Wouldn't Werdum be since he is unquestionably the best BJJ based fighter to get the accolades he got?

I absolutely despise Werdum but unless there is something I am missing here, Werdum is easily ahead of Maia.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Wouldn't Werdum be since he is unquestionably the best BJJ based fighter to get the accolades he got?

I absolutely despise Werdum but unless there is something I am missing here, Werdum is easily ahead of Maia.

From the perspective of some (including me) Werdum's usually has the size advantage when he competed in MMA.

Maia regularly taps HW and men bigger than him. He's beaten Jacare in BJJ and Jacare in addition to being a BJJ beast himself has about 20 pounds on Maia.

 

[tenniswhiz]

I do think the guys who can use the same basic fundamentals that worked in vale tudo are successful in MMA.
(TD, get mount and/or take the back, keep position)
Just saying this because a lot of high level exotic stuff is far less effective in MMA.

First off, they have to get the fight to the ground, many guys, even world champs can’t do this.

If they opt to pull guard, they had better have a way to win from there.

It helps to have a decent chin, so if you get tagged you can keep plugging away.

On the other hand, unconventional niche BJJ fighters like Palhares and Ryan Hall have been pretty successful with the unique skills that they’re good at as well.
I mean, Ryan Hall’s standup is a joke and he has weak TD’s, but even so, how the hell do you beat the guy?

 

[Blayt7hh]

I would be willing to bet that Roger never fully committed to MMA. The Gracies have always been a bit stubborn that way. Either way, he may have simply not had the aptitude for it. If boxers start coming into the sport, then despite the retarded A level talk on here you’ll see cases where worse ones become better mma fighters than guys eho looked more impressive boxing

 

[brickhands]

donald trumps black belt disagrees

 

[HelloJapan]

Well, Maia is a more rounded MMA fighter then Hoger. You get what you put in.

 

[mjfan23]

Ricardo Arona is by far the best BJJ fighter in MMA history. No one even scored a single offensive point on him in adcc.
He was also a very successful mma grappler and fighter for two reasons:
Had takedowns ( better from distance than maias even)
Had striking tools (had the hardest and best low kicks in his division) something Maia too has in some capacity.

Roger gracie had neither even though in pure sub wrestling he is considered a GOAT without those traits mma success is limited

 

[chinarice]

From the perspective of some (including me) Werdum's usually has the size advantage when he competed in MMA.

Maia regularly taps HW and men bigger than him. He's beaten Jacare in BJJ and Jacare in addition to being a BJJ beast himself has about 20 pounds on Maia.

But he is talking in regards to MMA because he mentions Gracie not being a champion level fighter.

To me, Werdum has used his BJJ to get better accolades in MMA than Maia, personally.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

King Mo's career didn't go as well as people expected him to, but he would be literally a kryptonite for bjj based fighter. I would pick him over any bjj based fighter in the history of MMA. His wrestling is world class, just his top game lacks to keep people there, which he wouldn't have to worry about.

Tim Kennedy, as much as I hate the guy, that guy is also a hard fight for bjj fighter too. Maia at MW vs Tim Kennedy at MW would have been a real tough fight for both, and would be a pretty ugly fight too.

I think those are only his two losses, and I really think it might be more of a level of commitment, Maia just kept on with it, in spite of his losses, but Roger didn't look like he was as invested in it as Maia, but that was the feeling I got.

Tim Kennedy is a BJJ fighter

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Maia simply put a lot more time and effort in, he has been fighting forever and has taken a decent amount of losses trying to figure out the correct approach.

Honestly what made Maia so successful was his wrestling off the cage, and his striking ability.

 

[Flex Plexico]

King Mo's career didn't go as well as people expected him to, but he would be literally a kryptonite for bjj based fighter. I would pick him over any bjj based fighter in the history of MMA. His wrestling is world class, just his top game lacks to keep people there, which he wouldn't have to worry about.

Tim Kennedy, as much as I hate the guy, that guy is also a hard fight for bjj fighter too. Maia at MW vs Tim Kennedy at MW would have been a real tough fight for both, and would be a pretty ugly fight too.

I think those are only his two losses, and I really think it might be more of a level of commitment, Maia just kept on with it, in spite of his losses, but Roger didn't look like he was as invested in it as Maia, but that was the feeling I got.

this post really confuses me

starting to wonder if I’m getting enough oxygen