Demetrious Johnson's situation - let's bust some myths

[CaloLutadores]

I used an extreme example to make the point that it's possible for someone to agree to a fight and still be ducking that person at the same time. It isn't normal for a fighter to say to their bosses 'I'm not going to fight so and so unless the following conditions are met...'. That's what Cyborg does, and she's notorious for coming up with ridiculous conditions in order to duck fights. The flyweight division is stagnant and hemorrhaging money. A win over a former BW champion (still should be the champion, imo) would've been huge for Mighty Mouse's legacy and huge for the Flyweight division's credibility. High risk? Yes. Not so high reward? No.

Thank you for a wise answer, in contrary to most sherdogger's HURR DURR HE DUCKED YOU MANLET.

Actually you are right with that. My point is that DJ didn't take the fight not because he was scared or handpicked Borg out of nowhere - he just calculated that he will not put the division in risk because of ,,superfight" which probably would make about 250k PPVs, and that's make sense for me.

And sooner or later, we will probably see a catchweight with TJ or something I think.

 

[Soul On Ice]

1. Called out Cody and talked about fighting 135ers until it became too real, anyone can TALK about doing something.

2. Borg is mediocre, only won 2 in a row, by decision against other mediocre fighters, also missed weight for one of those lacklustre wins

3. They tried to make DJ the co-main event for a Jones X DC card twice but both times that fight fell through...Also the UFC has put him as the main event multiple times on a free card which get more views than a PPV.

Millions of people have already seen him fight

No one gives a fuck.

 

[defcon5]

Thank you for a wise answer, in contrary to most sherdogger's HURR DURR HE DUCKED YOU MANLET.

Actually you are right with that. My point is that DJ didn't take the fight not because he was scared or handpicked Borg out of nowhere - he just calculated that he will not put the division in risk because of ,,superfight" which probably would make about 250k PPVs, and that's make sense for me.

And sooner or later, we will probably see a catchweight with TJ or something I think.

What happens when borg misses weight? DJ will have no choice but to fight him anyway. In fact borg shouldn't even bother trying make weight. DJ is on the hot seat in this fight. In fact Dana may even pretend to be upset borg missed weight but secretly enjoy it.

If Borg defeats DJ TALL task he'll be forever a mma hero.

 

[CaloLutadores]

3. They tried to make DJ the co-main event for a Jones X DC card twice but both times that fight fell through...Also the UFC has put him as the main event multiple times on a free card which get more views than a PPV.

Millions of people have already seen him fight


No one gives a fuck.

And they should continue to do it. They may never promote DJ, but at least they won't lose money because of 100k PPV shitty cards he's headlining .

 

[Coolidge]

Thank you for a wise answer, contrary to most sherdog's HURR DURR HE DUCKED YOU MANLET.

Actually you are right with that. My point is that DJ didn't take the fight not because he was scared or handpicked Borg out of nowhere - he just calculated that he will not put the division in risk because of ,,superfight" which probably would make about 250k PPVs, and that's make sense for me.

And sooner or later, we will probably see a catchweight with TJ or something I think.

No, I agree with that. I don't think Mighty Mouse was 'scared'. I think he did what he felt was best for him business-wise. He was trying to use what little leverage he had to secure himself in the event of a loss. I think he miscaculated, but who am I to say that.

If TJ wins back the title, then I think it's a strong possibility. Otherwise, I don't see that happening.

 

[Robbie Corleone]

I disagree. I don't think he's necessarily scared. I think he just wanted the easiest route to breaking the record. I think Mighty Mouse actually wins that fights.

I don't disagree with this either, but it would still be a duck.

 

[Iamlegion666]

dj ducked tj

dj doesn't do shit promote his fights

dj insults the fans by claiming they don't pay his salary

dj should just fight in Asia and see what they'll pay him and see how far his duckery will go there.

2 replies before you, you're slipping.

 

[Roads55]

If every fighter on the the UFC roster was like DJ the UFC wouldn't exist. Dj is a charity case and the UFC needs to get rid of him or DEMAND he fights the fights they want not the other way around.

whatcha talking about? he's fighting ray borg who the UFC wanted MM to fight before TJ. he's an actual flyweight who is ranked. like it or not TJ isn't a 125lb fighter, and shouldn't get title shots over deserving fighters who are in the division after they have been promised the fight by the promoter in a weak attempt to boost ppv sales with TJ's magical drawing power that somehow is now a thing.

 

[Scyther]

Actually, Mighty Mouse said he wouldn't fight TJ unless he fought someone else in the Flyweight division and proved he could make the weight, which is ridiculous.

Mighty Mouse ducked TJ. That's a fact.

Did you lose an AV bet?

 

[Coolidge]

Did you lose an AV bet?

Yes.

It was originally an account bet, so I really can't complain.

 

[2GunTommy]

The guy has been chasing the defense record for awhile.
He's one fight away and Dana wants him to fight the former Champ from a weight class up.
Seems like Dana didn't want TJ to get the record, no ?
I mean isn't anyone wondering that ?
Just a coincidence when TJ is about to break the record ?
I'm not so sure.

Why not let the guy get his last defense in and then get him involved in money fights or moving up ?

We've been disinterested in his fights for this long, what's one more ?

 

[torturescorcher]

MM has beaten the best of the best in his division he deserves an easy fight.

 

[Shaddows]

Myth nr 1: DJ ducked Dillashaw because he wanted the easiest fight

DJ asked for Garbrandt first. Then UFC gave him Borg, and then suddely changed their mind and decided that he will fight Dillashaw. DJ said many times he will accept the fight , but only if the UFC guaranteed to him that TJ will make weight, because he was never a 125 fighter and DJ didn't want the fight to be non-title fight.

If he took this fight and Dillashaw would miss weight, and then defeat him, he would lose big time. If Dillashaw made weight and won, he would probably drop the belt and move back to 135, and all of you would probably scream to close the division. And keep in mind that TJ is absolutely not a money fight - that guy headlined Fight Nights for his biggest matches, and sold like 150k PPV in his only trial as a champion.

And don't get me wrong - I still think he should take the fight (but at 130 catchweight or something), however I totally understand why he decided to not sign the contract.

Myth nr 2: Borg is not a legit contender

He may be unknown, but he got the titleshot by defeating Formiga - the best guy in the division who never fought for a title, and lost only to Benavidez, Cejudo and Dodson - arguably three of the best flyweights on the roster at the time. Moreover, he's no. 3 at the division, and DJ already defeated no. 1 and no. 2, so basically that's who he should be fighting next.

Myth nr. 3 : DJ does not sell and that is his fault

The fighter has to fight , that's his first responsibility. Every time there is someone who is just not interesting - like DJ, and people don't care about him. In this situation, it's the promotion's responsibility to do something with it.

Johnson will never be a star, he lacks charisma and the division is still lacking in true talent. So in this situation, I have no idea why they put him on PPV main events. If UFC scheduled his fight as a co-main event for Conor for example, milions of people would see his fight and some of them can get interested. If you decided to have his fight as a main event of a shitty card in Canada, well, that's just your - matchmakers' fault - that this card simply sold 100k PPVs.

PS. That's quite funny, that in the era of superfights and people complaining about champions not fighting contenders, the most criticized guy is actually the champion who decided to fight a contender instead of high-risk superfight.

exactly what I think as well.
good post.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Many Sherdoggers are cantenders for the title of biggest sizequeen of them all.

Nothing new here.

You type like your breath stinks