Defense Soap.. worth it?

[Defense Soap]

NOZZA

Your words cut deep. "pure marketing scheme" I developed this product out of my own personal need. I have 10s of thousands of customers who will tell you we have helped them tremendously. We have cancer clinics, dermatologist offices as well as general practitioners that support and endorse our efforts. I can assure this is not a marketing scheme.

I see that you are from the UK. We are happy to announce that our schemes have now reached Europe. I just sent our first full crate to The Netherlands where www.defensesoapeurope.com has launched. You may want to give us a little more credit then what your gut tells you.

Guy
Defense Soap

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Ugly Loser,

Please excuse the delay. We are running an 11 man shift and still are falling behind.

1) I have acne/bacne (scattered here and there), and I've read tea tree oil helps against acne, it even mentions the word 'acne' on the defense soap site. But I haven't seen others talk about acne, any info on acne would be helpful. Defense Soap will clear up your acne and bacne within 3 days.

2) Is this soap non comedogenic? Does it clog pores or not? Our soap does not plug your pores. Defense is made to wash clean from your skin.

3) Is it hypoallergenic? Yes Defense Soap is hypoallergenic

4) Is this soap safe to use on the face? Defense Soap is safe for any part of your body, face included and is gentle enough for children.

Hope this helps

Guy
Defense Soap

I have back acne also, not horrible but it gets bad in the summer for a variety of reason, and I can say, holy crap this stuff actually seems to works!

there are days that I would go to train and then by the next day, 2 or 3 zits would show up, pretty big ones and those that look awful (have no "head", just red big and painful) I figured it has to do with rolling (I have no problem if im not training), it seems that after showering and using defense soap, the zits get incredible better, no pain and the inflammation goes away in a day or 2, im using the stuff every day now, before to go to bed, even in days that Im not rolling, and it seems my back got much better.

 

[RAWilliams]

Is staph that kind of infection where you'd need to sterilise your house? I didn't think it was. I understood it was pretty common all over the place?

Not your house, but things that are going to come into contact with your skin may carry the bacteria. Apparently it can live for a while outside the human body.

 

[The Thrill]

i feel like i already posted in this thread,but im not gonna go back and read the whole thing...i will say since starting to use defense soap (roughly 2010 maybe?) its the only soap ive used and i havent had any cooties since haha

prior to that i had mrsa twice and ringworm twice,and im one of the cleanest guys youll ever meet

 

[Emang8]

I bought defense soap after hearing joe rogan rant about it on his podcast a few years back, I was using a triclosan body wash then. After I started using defense it not only stopped me from catching anything after rolling it also cleared up a psoriasis issue I had with my left hand for over a year. I haven't rolled in a year and still use this soap today.

 

[GJJBJJ]

NOZZA

Your words cut deep. "pure marketing scheme" I developed this product out of my own personal need. I have 10s of thousands of customers who will tell you we have helped them tremendously. We have cancer clinics, dermatologist offices as well as general practitioners that support and endorse our efforts. I can assure this is not a marketing scheme.

I see that you are from the UK. We are happy to announce that our schemes have now reached Europe. I just sent our first full crate to The Netherlands where www.defensesoapeurope.com has launched. You may want to give us a little more credit then what your gut tells you.

Guy
Defense Soap

Congrats on reaching Europe.
Question: Is there a difference in the effectiveness of your bar soap vs shower gel? Which would you say is better/more preventative?

 

[RAWilliams]

Congrats on reaching Europe.
Question: Is there a difference in the effectiveness of your bar soap vs shower gel? Which would you say is better/more preventative?

My personal experience (and you can take this with a grain of salt because I'm just one person) is that shower gels smell nice and leave my skin hydrated a bit better, but they won't do a thing to get rid of athlete's foot or acne.

I've used Defense Soap for over a year now and wouldn't consider going back. It's one of the few things that I've seen help clear up an actual skin infection. I do tend to have to do something hydrating after the Defense Soap especially on my face. End result: Defense Soap first, followed by something girly-smelling, and then some Staph-A-Septic (now known as Technu) on the trouble spots after exiting the shower.

 

[Ugly Loser]

Ugly Loser,

Please excuse the delay. We are running an 11 man shift and still are falling behind.

1) I have acne/bacne (scattered here and there), and I've read tea tree oil helps against acne, it even mentions the word 'acne' on the defense soap site. But I haven't seen others talk about acne, any info on acne would be helpful. Defense Soap will clear up your acne and bacne within 3 days.

2) Is this soap non comedogenic? Does it clog pores or not? Our soap does not plug your pores. Defense is made to wash clean from your skin.

3) Is it hypoallergenic? Yes Defense Soap is hypoallergenic

4) Is this soap safe to use on the face? Defense Soap is safe for any part of your body, face included and is gentle enough for children.
Defense Soap

Thanks for your replies. Just an advice, and by no means I'm an expert like you, but you should definitely put non-comedogenic and hypoallergenic on the box - lots of people factor that in when shopping for a soap.

I do have follow up questions.

1) I do realize the tea tree oil and eucalyptus are potent to fight/prevent bacteria, but soaps with tea tree oil have been out there for a while. I just went to whole foods yesterday and saw 3 soaps with tea tree oil and one with both tree tea oil and Eucalyptus. What makes your soap any different?

2) This soap has been out for a while, I'm sure there's lot more R&D done, is there any other ingredients that potentially can be added to make it more potent than the competition? Right now, with all due respect, there are many soaps that exist like this. There has to be something to make this soap more potent.

3) This is random but what's your opinion about dead sea salt (or any salt similar) to be added as an ingredient? This has been effective against fighting skin issues. It might be a great compliment. What do you think?

 

[silahpower]

Congrats on reaching Europe.
Question: Is there a difference in the effectiveness of your bar soap vs shower gel? Which would you say is better/more preventative?

I'm curious about the effectiveness of the bar soap vs shower gel also.
But I'm pretty sure it should have the same effect.

 

[Ugly Loser]

I have back acne also, not horrible but it gets bad in the summer for a variety of reason, and I can say, holy crap this stuff actually seems to works!

there are days that I would go to train and then by the next day, 2 or 3 zits would show up, pretty big ones and those that look awful (have no "head", just red big and painful) I figured it has to do with rolling (I have no problem if im not training), it seems that after showering and using defense soap, the zits get incredible better, no pain and the inflammation goes away in a day or 2, im using the stuff every day now, before to go to bed, even in days that Im not rolling, and it seems my back got much better.

Thanks for info, it's helpful.

But my acne (especially on my back) is unrelated to the gym - I don't goto the gym. I just always had acne.

 

[Nozza]

NOZZA

Your words cut deep. "pure marketing scheme" I developed this product out of my own personal need. I have 10s of thousands of customers who will tell you we have helped them tremendously. We have cancer clinics, dermatologist offices as well as general practitioners that support and endorse our efforts. I can assure this is not a marketing scheme.

I see that you are from the UK. We are happy to announce that our schemes have now reached Europe. I just sent our first full crate to The Netherlands where www.defensesoapeurope.com has launched. You may want to give us a little more credit then what your gut tells you.

Guy
Defense Soap

Sorry about that but we've discussed this already and I've not seen hard evidence that your soap is better than other tea tree oil soaps or indeed better than normal soap in human trials. If you've got that evidence then I'd change my mind obviously.

Whether you have people endorsing your efforts or not or lots of positive customer reviews does not constitute scientific evidence and, to be frank, these are the same tactics used by many alt med firms lacking evidence for their shady products (not saying yours is shady BTW). They can't prove that their pills or whatever actually work so they rely on "testimonials" and sponsorships from people in certain fields and comments from authority.

Congratulations on your financial success.

 

[xMikeyX]

I have used defense soap in the past and it definitely helped me survive in a hot, sweaty, ringworm filled, NYC grappling gym where people trained knowing they had ringworm- I haven't had to use it since I left that gym. Thank god for defense soap and thank you for making it.

Do you make any versions with moisturizers in it?

 

[vcmmafan]

So what does anyone else think about the tea tree oil in Defense Soap potentially lowering testosterone levels???? Should I stop using it?

"Applying products to the skin that contain tea tree oil along with lavender oil might not be safe for young boys who have not yet reached puberty. These products might have hormone effects that could disrupt the normal hormones in a boy’s body. In some cases, this has resulted in boys developing abnormal breast growth called gynecomastia. The safety of these products when used by young girls is not known.""

-WebMD

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-suppl...dientId=113&activeIngredientName=TEA TREE OIL

 

[Dogstarman]

So what does anyone else think about the tea tree oil in Defense Soap potentially lowering testosterone levels???? Should I stop using it?

"Applying products to the skin that contain tea tree oil along with lavender oil might not be safe for young boys who have not yet reached puberty. These products might have hormone effects that could disrupt the normal hormones in a boy

 

[thedogg1]

NOZZA

Your words cut deep. "pure marketing scheme" I developed this product out of my own personal need. I have 10s of thousands of customers who will tell you we have helped them tremendously. We have cancer clinics, dermatologist offices as well as general practitioners that support and endorse our efforts. I can assure this is not a marketing scheme.

I see that you are from the UK. We are happy to announce that our schemes have now reached Europe. I just sent our first full crate to The Netherlands where www.defensesoapeurope.com has launched. You may want to give us a little more credit then what your gut tells you.

Guy
Defense Soap

How do you respond to all the info now coming out about the overuse of even the weaker antibacterial products like your soap leading to the strengthening of the very things that you claim that your product defends against.

 

[Skyrim]

Dude just get plain old "Dial" bar soap. It's antibacterial and it's dirt cheap.

I've been grappling for years, shower with this each time after, and have had no form or ringworm, staph, etc.

Ok Dial ant-bact soap works but a toxicologist told me not to use it .Its bad for you.The active ingredient is toxic and long term use in not advised. I know little of defense soap or its active ingredient.

 

[Defense Soap]

Sorry for the delay. We were out of town watching my son compete this weekend. He knocked off a returning All American and 9th ranked wrestler to help UVA upset #7 V Tech.

We have found that between our bar and shower gel that the gel is more moisturizing. The gel is in a coconut oil base where the bar is in a vegetable oil base. You wont see us tampering with the formula simply because we have had such success. I feel that we have the perfect blend and concentration of oils that will not deplete your flora yet still offer prevention.

The differences between our bar and bars that you find in many heal food store are consistency and concentration as well as the fact that we have a combination of oils. Our soaps are a full 2% of active ingredient. They are also made in an FDA approved facility which guarantees consistency. This is a must when you are attempting to prevent infection. Take a look at the bar in the health food store. When you see streaks and swirls in the bar that tells you that it is not consistent. Our bar is pure white.

Nozza,

Ironically I had dinner with a doctor who has done clinical research for 50 years specializing in double blind studies. The same concern popped up about purposely infecting a person to measure levels of effectiveness. Obviously this cannot be done therefore the research would have to be conducted by presenting thousands of participants that train Defense Soap and other forms of soap to do a comparison. The funny thing is I already have 10's of thousands of people who I have distributed my soap to and who have also used other soaps under the same training conditions. The positive feedback is overwhelming and why I stand so firm in my companies Defense (no pun intended)

Here is the match from the weekend. My son is the Cavalier. http://www.flowrestling.org/video/725206-149-Zach-Neibert-Virginia-Tech-v-Gus-Sako-Virginia

Guy
Defense Soap

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

Probably just going to contribute to more resistant strains of bacteria with this.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/501996

I'll give you the summary of that link: in hospitals, they've found anti bacterial resistant strains of staph on the fucking anti-bacterial soap dispensers. That's right.

Regular soap works fine, and its method of action is not really to kill the bacteria, but creating a slippery surface which allows it to be rinsed away. The trick is to take a shower as soon as you're done training, before anything has a chance to grow and embed in a scrape or on your skin. Don't leave your gi or other gear in a bag to fester. Wash it or at least air dry it or throw it in the dryer asap.

My wife (a nurse) got a nasty mrsa infection in her leg when she was pregnant with our second child. It was a fucking nightmare. Infection wouldn't go away until the baby was born and her immune system bounced back.

You don't want mrsa, but objective evidence indicates antibacterial soaps are not the best way to prevent it.

You don't understand.

Anti-bacterial (man made soap/drug soap) is not the same as Tea Tree Oil/Defense Soap type products (natural). They are two different entities.

The Anti-bacterial (man made soap/drug soap) is the soap that is leading to MRSA staph (Anti Bacterial Resistant). The Tea Tree Oil Soap is still effective (in fact probably one of the only things effective) against MRSA.

"Tea tree oil may have a clinical application in both the hospital and community, especially for clearance of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) carriage" (From the study below)
http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/5/639.full

 

[speak]

Hey Guy,

I have been practicing and competing in martial arts for a little over 20 years. I have always had the issue of my feet feeling like there was something building up on them during heavy training. I heard about your soap from the Joe Rogan podcast and picked it up a couple of weeks ago. Great results so far. Also, I work professionally in the salon and spa industry, and as a product quality review, your product feels very nice. I'm happy there's a vendor who caters to the body wash market for post training. I previously was using dermalogica face wash with tea tree oil to wash my body after training, and that was really expensive.

 

[GJJBJJ]

Sorry for the delay. We were out of town watching my son compete this weekend. He knocked off a returning All American and 9th ranked wrestler to help UVA upset #7 V Tech.

We have found that between our bar and shower gel that the gel is more moisturizing. The gel is in a coconut oil base where the bar is in a vegetable oil base. You wont see us tampering with the formula simply because we have had such success. I feel that we have the perfect blend and concentration of oils that will not deplete your flora yet still offer prevention.

The differences between our bar and bars that you find in many heal food store are consistency and concentration as well as the fact that we have a combination of oils. Our soaps are a full 2% of active ingredient. They are also made in an FDA approved facility which guarantees consistency. This is a must when you are attempting to prevent infection. Take a look at the bar in the health food store. When you see streaks and swirls in the bar that tells you that it is not consistent. Our bar is pure white.

Nozza,

Ironically I had dinner with a doctor who has done clinical research for 50 years specializing in double blind studies. The same concern popped up about purposely infecting a person to measure levels of effectiveness. Obviously this cannot be done therefore the research would have to be conducted by presenting thousands of participants that train Defense Soap and other forms of soap to do a comparison. The funny thing is I already have 10's of thousands of people who I have distributed my soap to and who have also used other soaps under the same training conditions. The positive feedback is overwhelming and why I stand so firm in my companies Defense (no pun intended)

Here is the match from the weekend. My son is the Cavalier. http://www.flowrestling.org/video/725206-149-Zach-Neibert-Virginia-Tech-v-Gus-Sako-Virginia

Guy
Defense Soap

Thanks for the info. One more question.. Overtime, will my skin develop some sort of immunity to your products if I keep using them? Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on the subject.