DC vs Gustafsson fight. Why it beats Islam vs JDM in terms of entertainment

[Hellowhosthat]

Rockhold?

He was primarily a grappler offensively. When he was standing it was mostly standing and getting banged.

 

[Koro_11]

He was primarily a grappler offensively. When he was standing it was mostly standing and getting banged.

I remember him mostly standing but mixing in the grappling at times when it suited him, kinda like Jones.

I certainly wouldn’t put him in the same category as GSP, Hughes and Tito ffs.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I remember him mostly standing but mixing in the grappling at times when it suited him, kinda like Jones.

I certainly wouldn’t put him in the same category as GSP, Hughes and Tito ffs.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on old Luke, let's say he should have grappled lol

 

[Koro_11]

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on old Luke, let's say he should have grappled lol

Yeah that’s true, it definitely would have gone much better for him if he did take the grapple heavy approach.

But then we would have been robbed of so many epic moments, no one gets KO’d quite as spectacularly as Rockhold.

 

[Aluminati]

Usually a fight requires two fighters to be interesting. JDM didn't get the memo.

 

[STAY GOLD]

No. However this is a discussion of entertainment and different mindset between generations. The Caucus fighters don't care about being entertaining and just want to win. Short term, its good for them but they aren't going to remembered or draw in a large audience. In addition, it's possible that they can potentially kill the sport if more matches are just taking guys down and lay and pray them for 25 minutes.

None of this is true. GSP did that many, many times in high profile fights and he was a relatively big star and considered one of the GOATs of the sport.

 

[188912345]

Gus could defend takedowns and get back up.

Jdm vs Belal was more exciting than Jdm vs Islam because of that same reason.

Wrestling/grappling becomes boring when it's not competitive, especially when the losing guy is good enough to mitigate damage and not get submitted, but not good enough to get up or defend takedowns.

 

[tasticles]

So your saying Chuck beats those guys

Prime Gus could box very well. Chuck was way too slow and predictable to catch someone like jones.

 

[Givvee]

I mean, first of all, Gus is 6'3-6'4 with very good striking and wicked takedown defense, at this time he was 28, still in his prime, so hard to take down and to controll, wicked conditioning, credit to DC as well, a 5´9-5´10 wrestler who was willing to stay on the feet and trade with the bigger man, he didnt dive for the legs and tried to clinch him against the cage everytime he could to avoid the striking, instead he used heavy forward pressure to try to wear the big man out, also a big difference, but gus.

You cant compare one of the most legendary fights of all time to JDM vs Islam.

 

[VinceArch]

Islam/Dustin was VERY exciting but @ShaggyDoyle won't bring that up, because it kills his argument, similar to DC's dominating but lackluster fight with Anderson Silva.

 

[mkt]

Prime Gus was my all time top5 favs

Damn you Anthony Johnson! Also RIP of course

That was the golden age of UFC LHW. Prime Jones and Cormier. Then you had Gus and Rumble, who would've held the belt in any other era. Behind them you had Glover, Davis, Bader, etc.

 

[mkt]

Islam/Dustin was VERY exciting but @ShaggyDoyle won't bring that up, because it kills his argument, similar to DC's dominating but lackluster fight with Anderson Silva.

Silva was 40 or older by then and a shell of himself...and fighting up a weight class. Not a good comparison to prime Gus.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

wasteland

 

[VinceArch]

Silva was 40 or older by then and a shell of himself...and fighting up a weight class. Not a good comparison to prime Gus.

Gus was only 1-2 going into that fight and then went 2-4 after the fight. I don't really think he was in his prime. Anderson hadn't won in sometime either but at least he looked good against Diaz and one more punch against Bisping, he would've won but chose to celebrate early.

 

[mkt]

Gus was only 1-2 going into that fight and then went 2-4 after the fight. I don't really think he was in his prime. Anderson hadn't won in sometime either but at least he looked good against Diaz and one more punch against Bisping, he would've won but chose to celebrate early.

I don't think Anderson would ever beat prime Cormier or Jones--it's a weight class thing. But Gus lost to 2 of the best LWHs ever who were also in their primes and was still in his 20s vs. Cormier. Andy was years past his best days. He wasn't even in his prime in his last few years as champ, but managed to win until Weidman. There's no way a younger Anderson (who destroyed FranklinX2) would've been caught or KO'd by a jab like that. The wear and tear and mileage got to him.

 

[froggyluv]

The UFC does not want in the new Paramount era

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Paramount will force the UFC to become a mixed striking combat organisation only and ban grappling & wrestling because Paramount casuals find it boring and only want striking wars in the UFC only because they find it entertaining

They need to Americanize them if they want to retain an AMerican audience. Fedor was easy. These guys...not so much

 

[VinceArch]

I don't think Anderson would ever beat prime Cormier or Jones--it's a weight class thing. But Gus lost to 2 of the best LWHs ever who were also in their primes and was still in his 20s vs. Cormier. Andy was years past his best days. He wasn't even in his prime in his last few years as champ, but managed to win until Weidman. There's no way a younger Anderson (who destroyed FranklinX2) would've been caught or KO'd by a jab like that. The wear and tear and mileage got to him.

Yes, it did and we all were saying style wise, DC is going to be a hard fight for Anderson, which he was. Shogun was already out of his prime in his late 20's, same thing with Gus. His legs weren't shot like Shogun's, but the training and gym wars took their toll on him sooner than it does other fighters. The point is, TS is simply looking for a way to get more hate on the Dagestan fighters.