DC is a paper champ

[Crono7]

Dumb, you use that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. You must have meant "truest".

Damn, it's funny how completely butthurt you are over this.

You said:

But he didn't lose to the champ. He lost to someone who is not even in the UFC right now.

Jones was the champ at the time

Thats like saying "oh nog didnt lose to the champ, cause pride doesnt exist anymore"

Thanks for coming out

also im getting tons of laughs from tonight :icon_chee

 

[PBMMASC]

Jones was the champ at the time

Thats like saying "oh nog didnt lose to the champ, cause pride doesnt exist anymore"

Thanks for coming out

also im getting tons of laughs from tonight :icon_chee

But he isn't the champ now. So Cormier didn't become the champ by losing to the champ. THAT is a dumb sentence. Nog didn't become the champ by losing in Pride. So no, it's NOT like saying that about Nog, again you fail. Let the butthurt flow.

And yeah, quite a few people are obviously laughing at you.

 

[Crono7]

So why is Jones still the champ, but Cruz and GSP aren't?

GSP retired, how is that a real question?

I dont give a fuck about those weight classes, so i have no fucking clue whats going on there

fights at 135 usually means sandwich break

 

[muaythaibeast]

Viewing it from a different angle, if Jones hadn't had a meltdown, and had vacated and gone to HW, would you still view DC as a paper champ?

 

[Crono7]

But he isn't the champ now. So Cormier didn't become the champ by losing to the champ. THAT is a dumb sentence. Nog didn't become the champ by losing in Pride. So no, it's NOT like saying that about Nog, again you fail. Let the butthurt flow.

And yeah, quite a few people are obviously laughing at you.

That sentence was obviously a joke when combined with the gif, and i was replying to the one guy

also, i just notiched this is in the wasteland,

so fuck this thread im done here,

 

[PBMMASC]

A more deserving thread for the wasteland I've never seen. Kudos to the mods.

 

[Scamrock]

Yeah WW has fallen from grace too. But LHW use to be my favorite so it's hard seeing it go to the gutter.

And a paper champ be on top no less.

Disagreements about the championship situation aside, I don't think it's in the gutter at all. Well, the only thing that I would complain about is that injuries are keeping a lot of top fighters out of action. But other than that, I think they have some of the best talent they've had in a while. Cormier, Rumble, Gustafsson, Teixeira, Bader, Evens, when he returns, Rampage is back, for what it's worth, and there are some solid guys like Manuwa and OSP that could make some noise among the contenders.

LHW has never been very deep, but they have always been top heavy with solid talent. Whenever it looks like it is thinning out as the old guard starts to fade away, new talent emerges. So when guys like Liddell, Couture, Ortiz, etc are on their way out, guys like Shogun, Machida, Evans, etc come along. Then when they losing steam, and it looked like their would be no new challenges for Jones, along comes guys like Gustafsson, Teixeira, Cormier, Rumble, etc.

 

[613]

Viewing it from a different angle, if Jones hadn't had a meltdown, and had vacated and gone to HW, would you still view DC as a paper champ?

Difference is Jones is coming back. People see DC as just holding the belt till Jones is ready. So thats why people say DC is just a champ on paper.


If Jones moved permanently to HW then that would make DC the best LHW in the world and the champ

 

[Scamrock]

Yes but if we are theorizing results, why have fights? Why work your way up divisions? Why earn title shots?

Just give to whoever.

I think it was a poor job by the UFC, but to be fair for the past few years they have been dealing with an injury nightmare.

It just sends a bad message to the other fighters, to fans, to journalist and everyone who follows MMA that the premiere org despite all it's luster is still very shallow on talent.

And has paper champs as belt holders.

But at the end of the day, he is still going to have to fight. He is still going to have to prove himself by defending that title. I don't have to assume he would beat them all. He will get his chance to prove it. Maybe he won't be the champ when the dust settles. But the more times he defends the title, the more legit he will be, even if he didn't beat Jones for it. Or if he loses, whatever. But the more times the title is defended in Jon's absence, the more legit the title will be. Eventually, if/when he comes back, he will either get the title back, or the champ will beat him and it will no longer be a paper championship.

I know it will all come out in the wash, so I'm not too upset about any of it.

 

[Scamrock]

Nah the difference is Cruz was injured and couldnt fight.

The UFC aren't the law, JJ just defended his belt. They waited two years for Cain, they could have let Jone's case play out.

DC just comes off a loss and gets an undeserved shot then proclaims himself king.

Recipe of an annoying paper champ.

#saveusjones.

The aren't the law, but I think they made the right call by stripping him of the title and suspending him. I've never had a problem with Jones. I really don't give a shit about the cocaine, or any of the other shit. But you put it all together and he is acting like a dumbass. But the fact that he hit and injured a pregnant woman, fled the scene, came back, not to check on her, but to grab money and run again, is just ridiculous. Add it all together and you have to make an example of him. You send a message that you won't tolerate that. If it were some mid-tier guy, he would have been fired. But at least everyone knows that they will even make an example out of big names and champs.

If it were me, I wouldn't even give him an immediate shot. If you are going to do that, you might as well not have stripped him. You think it's a paper championship. But it really will just be a glorified interim title if Jones last fight and next fight are both title fights. I think the title needs defended, and I would make him beat at least one other contender, if not more.

 

[Boxer]

Thats jones holding DC's belt.

LoL *applause*

 

[Scamrock]

You sound like your defending your BF

Im against the idea of a 'fake champ', someone who won it via someone else leaving,

You have something against Jones, obviously,

Maybe your hillbilly emotions are getting in the way, but if you look at it objectively, becoming the champ in this manner is a joke

DC's belt should be made of paper

The guy fucked up...multiple times. Stripping him of the title was fair. If you are going to do that, you have to put the title up for the other guys. I think Bader would have been acceptable, given his win streak, and the fact that everyone else was coming off a loss. But the others are ranked higher. I can appreciate you and others might prefer somebody like Bader. But I can also appreciate that some would rather see the highest ranked guys fight for it. Either would have been acceptable for me.

 

[Scamrock]

Yet Jones is clearly the #1 LHW in the world and would be the champ if not for things that happened outside of MMA.

DC is the definition of a paper champ. Does anyone see him as the best LHW?

Maybe not the best LHW, but possibly the best active LHW. So even if he is #2, not #1, I think it does make some sense that if the #1 can't be champ, that the #2 is.

 

[Scamrock]

Probably no one, but everyone knows Jones is the best LHW in the world and DC already lost to Jones for the belt. Thats why DC is only a champ on paper. He isn't the best LHW and he didn't beat the champ to win the belt. Most people think he is just holding the belt till Jones comes back

But you could probably say that about anyone. Pretend Rumble won instead. He would only be the champ on paper. He wouldn't have proved he was the best and wouldn't have beat the champ for the belt. Most people would think he was just holding it until Jones came back.

But the problem is, they have to have a champ, and right now, that champ can't be Jones. Jones fucked up, multiple times, and ruined it for himself.

 

[Scamrock]

QFT

I guess to be the champ, you must first lose to the champ

Except Jones was no longer the champ.

 

[Scamrock]

Jones didnt lose to DC

And DC didnt beat Jones

Holy fuck are you guys so upset and angry at jones that you cant accept he is still the real champ?

fucking lol

this isnt about jones or fucking DC,

I'm not upset or angry. I like Jones the fighter. He is fun to watch. But he is acting like a dumbass. He does keep fucking up, and I do think stripping him and suspending him was the right thing to do under the circumstances.

But your right, it isn't about Jones...because he was no longer the champ. It is about Cormier, but only because he was one of the two who fought for the vacant title. For all intents and purposes, it could have been Bader.

I'm not even arguing that he isn't a paper champ. By definition, he is a paper champ. But I'm okay with it because they have to have a champ. I'm fine with Rumble fighting for it, because he had earned his shot at it. I would have been fine with Bader, because he was the next guy coming off a win. I was fine with Cormier because he was the next guy behind Rumble in the rankings other than Gustafsson, who Rumble beat in his last fight.

 

[Scamrock]

Who is the best LHW in the world? Jones.

DC is the "champ" but no one thinks he is the best and everyone thinks he is just holding the belt till Jones gets back. He is only the "champ" on paper

I don't disagree with any of that. But I do think stripping Jones was the right call. If Jones can't be champ, then I'm okay with the next best guy being the champ...even if it's only until Jones gets back.

Do you disagree with that?

 

[Scamrock]

That sentence was obviously a joke when combined with the gif, and i was replying to the one guy

also, i just notiched this is in the wasteland,

so fuck this thread im done here,

Unless you are just worried about this not bumping up your post count, why does it matter if it's in the wasteland?

 

[Scamrock]

I'm talking to myself...