Daniel Cormier's criminally underrated boxing

[Crimp_Keeper]

DC is good in the clinch but his boxing looks awful outside of that. He walks towards his opponent like Frankenstein and Stipe looked like he was the superior striker before getting koed.

He walks towards his opponents to close the distance and engage in the clinch/dirty box. Do you even MMA bro?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Daniel was landing on Jones, Gus & Rumble.

He's an underrated striker and gets inside well for someone with short reach.

I don't know why some people were so confident Stipe would KO/outstrike him.

I think it really came down to range, you could see Cormier was taking punishment at distance and if that had carried on after the first 3 mins or so I don't think he'd have lasted more than a couple of rounds personally even with his chin.

What people overestimated is Stipe's timing, he doesn't IMHO have a Mirko like ability to nail people on the end of his best shots from mid range. He tends to rush forward with those 1-2's rather a lot that leaves an opening for DC to get close.

 

[ultrasonic]

DC is good in the clinch but his boxing looks awful outside of that. He walks towards his opponent like Frankenstein and Stipe looked like he was the superior striker before getting koed.

Lol what fight were you watching? Stipe was getting lit up once DC got his timing down.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

[Lol what fight were you watching? Stipe was getting lit up once DC got his timing down.

That does really show what I'v said for awhile, Stipe is a pretty accurate puncher with power but he's nowhere close to the best boxer ever at HW, he's really upright with quite limited defence and his timing isn't that amazing either. Guys like Reem and the declined Arlovski/JDS(but not Hunt Stipe wanted none of him standing) he could basically walk them down because they don't naturally have much counter threat and back up in straight lines. Here he faced someone who was firing back at him and it didn't look pretty.

 

[TidWell]

Have been saying it for years, his boxing is incredibly underrated.
He has now outstruck Gus, Volkan, and Miocic. He was also doing very well leading up to the KO in the 2nd Jones fight.

Crazy considering his physical disadvantages. He is almost always at a height & reach deficit and still outstrikes some of the highest level strikers in MMA.

Dc is one of the smartest fighters he would be a great trainer, along with the other DC dom cruz, people laughed at him saying why does he have a Dwarf as his boxing coach, the reason he uses Rosendo who is super short is for that purpose, Dc is a short heavyweight himself he needs a boxing trainer who specializes in being the shorter guy and getting in on taller fighters.

So rosendo helps him to box or close the distance as a short man you will even hear DC comment on his boxing coach specializing on it. When rogan asks DC how he was able to being the shorter man to keep the fight within distance he credits the Dwarf Rosendo.

 

[TidWell]

That does really show what I'v said for awhile, Stipe is a pretty accurate puncher with power but he's nowhere close to the best boxer ever at HW, he's really upright with quite limited defence and his timing isn't that amazing either. Guys like Reem and the declined Arlovski/JDS(but not Hunt Stipe wanted none of him standing) he could basically walk them down because they don't naturally have much counter threat and back up in straight lines. Here he faced someone who was firing back at him and it didn't look pretty.

I dont want to take away from DC, but Stipe did seem off after the eye scratch he went into panic mode and wasnt boxing like he normally does he tried to exchange with a short arm hooker, you Never trade in close with a guy with shorter arms, and example is manny pacquiao this man is so small yet has never got torn up in exchanges he always gets the better of guys when they try to hook with him inside or at close range his arms will hit the target faster because he has such short and fast arms. Thats why people stopped trading with him and fight him at long range not mid range but long range, and force him to come forward because they know he is impatient and will always walk forward if the crowd boos.

Stipe fought the wrong plan, why would you bring the fight to the smaller mans strenghth? All stipe had to do was step back and counter, reminds me of when chuck liddell started getting knocked out, he started going forward instead of back, chuck in his prime was pretty boring and methodical counter puncher, he was patient and only attacked when you came forwaed his arms were freakishly long so he could touch you as he circled and then finish you off later.

When chuck started trading in close with those long arms the guys with shorter faster hooks ko him, he strayed from his gameplan and what was tried and true being a safety first counter striker.

 

[LastingEffect]

Just goes to show you that basic boxing fundamentals go a long way in MMA

Dude, I hate people who think that pure boxing would actually work in MMA fight... Just fundamentals.. What a f you are talking about?

MMA boxing vs boxing in a ring are two different things. Go to bed.

 

[TidWell]

I only watched the fight once but it seemed like Miocic was outclassing him from range. I didn't see anything super impressive about DC's boxing. If I remember correctly most of his effective strikes came from the clinch including the KO strike.

Dc best boxing attribute is his ability to close the gap. All stipe had to do was fight smart but the eye pokes bothered him and he panicked and started trading in close with the shorter man, basically playing into dc strength and got caught.


Stipe needs to tone it down and fight smart he worries too much about pleasing the fans but this is a sport strategy is key, he knocked werdum out with a good check counter when werdum was chasing him. Stipe should have forced dc to chase him and just pick him apart with his reach.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I dont want to take away from DC, but Stipe did seem off after the eye scratch he went into panic mode and wasnt boxing like he normally does he tried to exchange with a short arm hooker, you Never trade in close with a guy with shorter arms, and example is manny pacquiao this man is so small yet has never got torn up in exchanges he always gets the better of guys when they try to hook with him inside or at close range his arms will hit the target faster because he has such short and fast arms. Thats why people stopped trading with him and fight him at long range not mid range but long range, and force him to come forward because they know he is impatient and will always walk forward if the crowd boos.

Stipe fought the wrong plan, why would you bring the fight to the smaller mans strenghth? All stipe had to do was step back and counter, reminds me of when chuck liddell started getting knocked out, he started going forward instead of back, chuck in his prime was pretty boring and methodical counter puncher, he was patient and only attacked when you came forwaed his arms were freakishly long so he could touch you as he circled and then finish you off later.

When chuck started trading in close with those long arms the guys with shorter faster hooks ko him, he strayed from his gameplan and what was tried and true being a safety first counter striker.

I think you could see things were starting to go against Stipe before the eyepoke though, Cormier had his timing down and was sliping punchs and countering.

The thing is though I'm not sure Stipe really has much alternative, true he countered Werdum but he was really reckless and generally I think hs(werdums) boxing has if anything regressed post Pride(obviously added knees to his game). DC wasn't giving him openings as obvious as that and I don't think Stipe has the game to keep him at the end of a jab. Again I think guys like Arlovski, Reem and JDS were perfect for Stipe, I spose Reem does have a decent counter game at range which he dropped him with but like the others when you really pressure them they tend to just back up throwing very little.

Look at JDS knocking down Stipe in the first fight, same problem marching forward with a clumsy 1-2 just this time JDS threw a rare effective counter...

 

[Ilovepizza]

cormiers boxing was never underrated u fucken bum

 

[Ilovepizza]

Stipe also eye poked DC it fucking happens @PROlogic

he touched his eyebrows
prove me wrong

 

[Ilovepizza]

Dude, I hate people who think that pure boxing would actually work in MMA fight... Just fundamentals.. What a f you are talking about?

MMA boxing vs boxing in a ring are two different things. Go to bed.

wrestling != mma wrestling
bjj != mma bjj


no shit sherlock.

 

[TidWell]

I think you could see things were starting to go against Stipe before the eyepoke though, Cormier had his timing down and was sliping punchs and countering.

The thing is though I'm not sure Stipe really has much alternative, true he countered Werdum but he was really reckless and generally I think hs(werdums) boxing has if anything regressed post Pride(obviously added knees to his game). DC wasn't giving him openings as obvious as that and I don't think Stipe has the game to keep him at the end of a jab. Again I think guys like Arlovski, Reem and JDS were perfect for Stipe, I spose Reem does have a decent counter game at range which he dropped him with but like the others when you really pressure them they tend to just back up throwing very little.

Look at JDS knocking down Stipe in the first fight, same problem marching forward with a clumsy 1-2 just this time JDS threw a rare effective counter...

yeah Stipe makes some weird mistakes like that, I think Stipe needs to change his boxing coach and camp, Stipe needs to go off the back foot again, stop rushing in face first like Ricky Hatton like that wtf?

Stipe is hurting himself by staying loyal to his limited team, he needs to think of his family first and his livelihood he did all he could with those guys but when you see him doing stuff like this you can tell they are just there for a check

Id like to see Stipe get with someone like Freddie Roach, Roach trained Arlovski and currently trains Aaron Pico and since Pacquiao is almost retired he has time open, mainly for Georges St Pierre, GSP boxing looked amazing under Roach, he was staying composed in the pocket and pumping the jab and even hurt and dropped Bisping bad.

 

[JayE]

Stipe was making DC look slow and awkward last night

DC was eating shots and flailing like an amataure

Stipe was handily winning that fight until the eye poke

Last night was more a case of Stipe not fighting to his best though

When DC had his palms out (typically called a "mummy guard" - to pretect the centerline and establish the jab) Stipe was too engaged with playing lead hand touch, and DC would pop the jab down the middle

For Stipe to not be able to to recognize that DC was exposed to hooks while utilising his palms out guard, is crazy and unimaginable.

Fient DC out to get him to reach with his palms out, then left hook over DC's outward stretched hands.

Left hook leads mixed up with feints.

Stipe also should've recognized that when ever DC went palms out, this meant DC was looking for the jab, and Stipe should've been ready to slip the jab and counter it with right overhands or pull counters

This just shows Stipe never had the actual boxing credtionals people claimed

Also Stipe was the far longer taller fighter. Where the fuck was his own jab?

Such a bone headed fight by Stipe. The fact Stipe was still winning while fighting his worst fight is very telling.

The fight only proved to me that Stipe didn't take DC seriously and never bothered gameplanning for DC

Stipe taking DC seriously and having an actual gameplan likely destroys DC.

DC's boxing did NOT look great at all

Stipe was landing more shots

DC simply had the better chin

Some fighters have paper thin skin like Gsp and Stipe and get busted up form a breeze of wind touching their face.....

While others like Dan Henderson have titanium lizard skin and never ever show any damage...

So you can't really go too much off of that when the stats are telling a different story

Stipe was the one in control, on the front foot, landing more, and being the more effective boxer

DC had the jabs. Even a weak jab constantly touching you in the same spot is going to show damage etc

This is why more people should appreciate Conor McGregor

Conor is bringing actual legit high level boxing fundamentals into the octagon everytime he fights. Conor is showing MMA fans what real elite boxing looks like.

Boxing should be one of the most important arts to incorporate into everything else. Boxing really shines when all the other stuff is added (like Conor)

And I'm not talking about the kind of "boxing" that wrestlers learn from their grappling or MMA coaches lol, or the kind you learn from Muay Thai or kickboxing lol.

I'm talking about learning REAL established old school boxing from a real, ONLY boximg gym that has that boxing history

For those not aware, Conor came from the very prestigious historic Crumlin Boxing Club. That's why Conor is so next level. His boxing roots are fantastic and helped build the fantatsoc foundation of Conor's game.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather

Conor was a highly regarded teenage amature boxing prospect

Conor was learning REAL boxing from a real prestigious boxing gym that had real boxing history and knowledge


Meanwhile you watch fighters like DC and Jones getting by with terrible boxing and its frustrating to watch. But sadly LHW and HW are so paper thin those divisions don't have any legit boxers to expose them. But yet this is why Gustafsson exposed Jones. Because of the boxing (footwork included)

Even Stipe wasn't all that great, certainly not as much as people were claiming

If Stipe had the legit boxing he would've destroyed DC.

Part of old school boxing IS clinch fighting and learning how to defend and fight in - and out of the clinch

This is also why Conor has such an ironclad sublime clinch game too

Jesus Christ.

 

[Roids]

Just goes to show you that basic boxing fundamentals go a long way in MMA

The funny thing is that a wrestler has better boxing fundamentals than most MMA fighters. Hes just a natural fighter.

 

[Kwic]

Dc was able to close the gap with jones and hit him which speaks volumes. Dc got caught but it was amazing while it lasted. JOnes is just on PED's.

Fixed it for ya

 

[PalmStrike]

Show me an example of a boxer that uses/used DC's "boxing" techniques?

He walks forward with his arms stretched and then snaps powder puff punches out...when hes not poking people in th eye.

His boxing blows.

 

[GreatWhiteBuffalo]

Have been saying it for years, his boxing is incredibly underrated.
He has now outstruck Gus, Volkan, and Miocic. He was also doing very well leading up to the KO in the 2nd Jones fight.

Crazy considering his physical disadvantages. He is almost always at a height & reach deficit and still outstrikes some of the highest level strikers in MMA.

Also made rumble panic wrestle

 

[Wicked_1]

It’s amusing how confident people are in their terrible evaluations.

Its amusing how people can only say someone has a terrible evaluation, yet has none better.

 

[Fungoose]

Its amusing how people can only say someone has a terrible evaluation, yet has none better.

*Offers none better. You wouldn’t know if I have an appropriate evaluation if I haven’t given one. I won’t assume you’re stupid... I’ll assume you’re a boxing convert that mistakes a lot of the differences between striking in a free fight setting and pure boxing as technical deficiencies on the side of MMA.