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Media Dana White is never going to allow cross over fights into boxing again

loisestrad said:
Most of the UFC-Boxing crossover fights has seen the UFC fighters winning or at least looking good, relative to them being the ones to cross over.

Vitor Belfort beat Evander Holyfield, which shocked the world. It was a shocking upset that left the boxing world in awe.

Ngannou of the UFC and MMA came close to beating the boxing champion of the world, Tyson Fury, and most peoble who defended Fury had the good ol' defense ready: Fury underestimated Ngannou. He was drunk. He had problems.
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Who are these "Most of the UFC -Boxing crossover fights have seen UFC fighter winning"? Serious question. You named one. Holyfield was nearly 60 years old when that fight took place also. I can think of a long list of ex UFC fighters that lost and/or Looked like crap boxing but not so many that looked good or won. Ngannou DID look good against Fury, but not so much in his next pro boxing bout.
 
El Fernas said:
Agreed, but technically thats how the UFC started, i think
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I've gotten jaded about this.

I used to think they brought MMA to the world, and in a sense they did...

But I also now realize they very carefully selected who could participate to forge a landscape where the bulk of the world views "Gracie BJJ" as the default for all submission grappling.
They supposedly kept Marco Ruas out, kept Tank Abott and Oleg Taktarov out until Royce left.

How different would the MMA world be if someone with sufficient TDD (let's be honest, Royce is no Khabib in terms of takedown technique) stuffed Royces takedowns and pounded his face into the ground? Or if Marco Ruas (or similar well rounded figgtwr of that era) leg kicked him until he turned into a peg legged pirate at UFC 1 ?

So much for the mythical BJJ superpower if a fat drunk slob like Tank had beaten the dogshit out of the skinny guy in the karate pajamas.

Also, Vale Tudo and I believe Pancrase were both around prior to UFC, so UFC itself was more of a rebranding than a spontaneous inception.


It also annoys me that the entirety of crossovers is MMA fighters having to relinquish 80-90% of their skills to fight boxers on their terms. Not exactly a fair compromise when only one side is making concessions.


Anyway... if we don't get many crossover fights, or don't get any from UFC/Dana boxing, I don't think anything of value will be lost.
 
This weird obsession of MMA fighters actually boxing boxers is stupid to me. I get it from a financial POV. The MMA fighter gets the biggest check and possibly life trajectory altering money. But from other POV for the MMA fighter it's stupid.

If you want to box why don't you stop doing MMA and dedicate those training his solely on boxing?
 
jeff7b9 said:
I've gotten jaded about this.

I used to think they brought MMA to the world, and in a sense they did...

But I also now realize they very carefully selected who could participate to forge a landscape where the bulk of the world views "Gracie BJJ" as the default for all submission grappling.
They supposedly kept Marco Ruas out, kept Tank Abott and Oleg Taktarov out until Royce left.

How different would the MMA world be if someone with sufficient TDD (let's be honest, Royce is no Khabib in terms of takedown technique) stuffed Royces takedowns and pounded his face into the ground? Or if Marco Ruas (or similar well rounded figgtwr of that era) leg kicked him until he turned into a peg legged pirate at UFC 1 ?

So much for the mythical BJJ superpower if a fat drunk slob like Tank had beaten the dogshit out of the skinny guy in the karate pajamas.

Also, Vale Tudo and I believe Pancrase were both around prior to UFC, so UFC itself was more of a rebranding than a spontaneous inception.


It also annoys me that the entirety of crossovers is MMA fighters having to relinquish 80-90% of their skills to fight boxers on their terms. Not exactly a fair compromise when only one side is making concessions.


Anyway... if we don't get many crossover fights, or don't get any from UFC/Dana boxing, I don't think anything of value will be lost.
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This.
I've gotten so much hate over the years for pointing this out.
That the early Gracie controlled UFCs were never about finding out who the best fighter in the world was. It was a carefully orchestrated plan to introduce Gracie BJJ to the world in the best light possible. They carefully picked out who they wanted to invite and who they didn't want to invite.
No vale tudo fighters. These guys were cross training in grappling and striking since the 80s.
No luta livre fighters. These guys had been extremely successful fighting representatives of Gracie BJJ.
No freestyle wrestling champs or folk style. The guys who Royce would never be and to take down and dominate.
But but but Ken shamrock. Ken shamrock was a catch wrestler and a leg lock specialist. Thanks to years of going up against luta livre fighters the Gracies knew how to defend what Ken brought to the table. Ken on the other hand didn't know how to defend what Royce was bringing to the table. Thus we get the the quote from Ken "i didn't even know the gi could be used as a weapon."

It was a carefully well thought out plan that worked beautifully for the Gracies.

But the Gracies have reached Bruce Lee levels of irrationally nut huggery IMHO. You can't even try and critique or question something them without legions of fans rushing to blindly protect them.
 
Söze Aldo said:
I don't either but let's not act like Dana saying something doesn't mean he won't complete change his position at a later date if it's financially beneficial. That's been his entire history.
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100% agreed. Hell even getting another Connor level PPV seller would have him switch his stance if he needed to in order to get that person to fight on the next UFC card. Francis never sold PPVs so the UFC never felt they needed to bow down to his demands like Connor.
 
Fact is these crossovers are popular.

The two most watched videos on rizin's channel are crossover fights:

Floyd vs Tenshin in boxing
Tenshin vs Horiguchi in kickboxing
 
EndlessCritic said:
Fact is these crossovers are popular.

The two most watched videos on rizin's channel are crossover fights:

Floyd vs Tenshin in boxing
Tenshin vs Horiguchi in kickboxing
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They will still happen. UFC won't do em but others will.
 
HHJ said:
I don't think he does. That worked out fine. He just don't wanna do it again
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What?
That worked out horribly for the UFC.
Their biggest fighter ever not only sat out for over 2 years straight with the title but he made so much money that they couldn't control him anymore.
Good lock getting someone to work at McDonald's for minimum wage after giving them $200K. That's basically what happened with Conor and the UFC. Conor made yacht in South France money and the UFC couldn't get him back to work for him.

The one good thing that did çome out of it for the UFC is that they will never, ever let another fighter ever become bigger then the UFC's brand ever again. Just like ngannou learned the UFC will never be held hostage again a fighter. They will either shelve you or cut you before letting a fighter out negotiate them ever again.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
What?
That worked out horribly for the UFC.
Their biggest fighter ever not only sat out for over 2 years straight with the title but he made so much money that they couldn't control him anymore.
Good lock getting someone to work at McDonald's for minimum wage after giving them $200K. That's basically what happened with Conor and the UFC. Conor made yacht in South France money and the UFC couldn't get him back to work for him.

The one good thing that did çome out of it for the UFC is that they will never, ever let another fighter ever become bigger then the UFC's brand ever again. Just like ngannou learned the UFC will never be held hostage again a fighter. They will either shelve you or cut you before letting a fighter out negotiate them ever again.
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Dana def wanted the recognition of Conor being matched up w Floyd. He's a promoter and that was a promoter's dream to make something like that happen. It was absolutely historic.

I tell you he dont regret none of it
 
ricc505 said:
It's a weird obsession. MMA is different then wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, karate etc. I get why the fighters want super fights, money. But fans should want best MMA fighter to fight the best MMA fighter. I guess I'm advocating cross promotion flights as better then cross sport. I'd rather see open weight tournaments then MMA vs boxing in boxing

My sport is better then your sport is an odd hill to die on.
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To be fair, we have seen kickboxers come in and do extremely well. From Cro cop to Anderson Silva to Izzy. Same with Cung Le even though he came in late.

Even guys like Melvin guillard started off as kickboxers. KJ noons was a boxer kickboxer who got in the mma boom.
 
Ogata said:
To be fair, we have seen kickboxers come in and do extremely well. From Cro cop to Anderson Silva to Izzy. Same with Cung Le even though he came in late.

Even guys like Melvin guillard started off as kickboxers. KJ noons was a boxer kickboxer who got in the mma boom.
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Fair point. i used to talk to Gordon Ryan's dad about his son going to MMA and it seemed to me the sticking point was pay and contract language. I think kickboxing and MMA might have about the same pay scale, maybe that's why it works better then other disciplines?

I think UFC as an organization could popularize kick boxing bouts and appeal to fans that don't like wrestling
 
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