Media Dana shuts down Francis ever returning

[Ruke Doufus]

The market has spoken and Frank has greatly diminished his earning potential by showing Dana that he has nowhere else to go. He will end up settling for a crap offer by comparison to fight in a second rate league and probably regret passing on the 8M for the rest of his life.

 

[Trabaho]

He threw dirt on their face and was arrogant. Ungrateful.

It sends a message.

From homeless in France to I want 10 Bugattis

 

[Gamer2k4]

So if you ever turn down their offer and choose to test free agency then you are banned forever. And they claim they are not/ trying to put a stranglehold on the sport by being a monopoly?

That's the opposite of a monopoly. A monopoly would be trying to gather up all the best fighters in the world, not letting them go to strengthen the competition.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

So now we know.
75 dinners from Hunter is the negotiation cap.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

That's the opposite of a monopoly. A monopoly would be trying to gather up all the best fighters in the world, not letting them go to strengthen the competition.

I was referring to the strong arm and fear tactics. Maybe they let one slip through the net( a big fucker , big Frank) but now the message is out to the rest. You don't take the deal you can kiss goodbye to ever competing in the big leagues again particularly and even more relevant to the higher ranked/ popular fighters.

*edit*

They have shown time and time again they will hold on to a top fighter and hold them hostage if they can : see gsp for example.
Believe me if they could have kept a hold of Francis and he never fought again they would have. It just so worked out Francis contract was over

 

[TerrorTimmy]

So if you ever turn down their offer and choose to test free agency then you are banned forever. And they claim they are not/ trying to put a stranglehold on the sport by being a monopoly?

Yeah this is going to make them look bad in some future court hearing, but it's working for them for now

 

[TempleoftheDog]

You are completely misrepresenting the story. There was not a single lie.

Was he paid 600k ? Yes
Was he the one to bring it up? No, it was public and social media caught up on that
Has he said he would not fight again for 600k (when asked about it)? Yes
Has he fought again for 600k? No
Has he tried to hide that he could have earned more by re-signing early? No

Every word I said is true. Yes, he was the one to bring it up. He was asked if he would fight under the current deal. And if you think telling the whole world he would never fight for $600K again but leaving out the part where he had been offered $3.5M was being honest you’re delusional. And it only coming to the surface 2 weeks later. When he finally slipped up and admitted the truth. That is OUTRIGHT DISHONESTY. Which is exactly what your post is, too. He let the entire world believe for 2 weeks that he was getting massively screwed over.

That is not telling the truth, is it? He 100% made it sound like that was his pay, and all the UFC was offering to their HW champion. He said it with his own mouth. Didn’t even mention getting a ppv cut. Which of course is another lie by omission.

He kept making it sound like the UFC had made no offers higher than that. Which was total bullshit. Nobody in the press, or public knows exactly how much these people get paid. He is 100% the person that told the world that’s what he was getting paid.

Francis Ngannou is looking to get a pay raise.

“No,” Ngannou said to ESPN, when asked if he would keep fighting under the deal. “I will not fight for $500,000 [or] $600,000 anymore. It’s over. I took this fight for personal reasons, because I want to make sure that regardless of [whether] it’s fair, I can make my case that I have completed the fights.”

Francis Ngannou has also said he wants to box which is something he hopes he can do with the UFC. Yet, whether the Las Vegas-based promotion has an interest in that is uncertain.

“100 percent [I need to box],”

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc...not-fight-for-500000-or-600000-anymore/?amp=1

Ever heard of Bill Clinton? Ex-POTUS?
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman”..
I mean he didn’t bang her but got a bj in the Oval Office. So was he being honest, or lying?

Congress said he was lying, and impeached him on Perjury, and obstruction of justice. But the US Senate acquitted him. I guess they didn’t want the sitting POTUS to get shit canned for being dishonest as fuck.

So if you were married, and you thought your wife was cheating on you. And you ask her if she’s cheating on you. And she says.. I have never fucked another man since we’ve been together. Would you be okay finding out later that she’s blowing guys? I mean.. technically, that isn’t fucking is it?

Dishonesty by omission is the exact same thing as lying. And only a dishonest person would argue otherwise.

 

[spinup]

He kept making it sound like the UFC had made no offers higher than that. Which was total bullshit. Nobody in the press, or public knows exactly how much these people get paid. He is 100% the person that told the world that’s what he was getting paid.

California releases the fighters purses, that was public.

 

[Givvee]

Actually yes..

"I like being there for a person that needs you," Miocic said. "No matter if they're just a little bit sick or if they're in full [cardiac] arrest or something. Doing the best you can to get them stable and get them to the hospital … The whole fireman aspect, helping people any time, day or night, I just love it. I love every second of it, just knowing there's a chance I could help someone."

Stipe is worth 4 million dollars, for what he accomplished in the sport, being the HW champion with most title defenses of all time, he should be set for life. Stop defending this bullshit compensation model and with the bullshit discretionary bonuses, the disclosed pay is what they are paid, plus of course the PPV points for the champions and exceptions like Conor McGregor and Brock Lesnar.....

 

[joeson]

I know that’s an argument that’s made but I just don’t see it. Free agents leave the UFC all the time. Eddie Alvarez, Gegard Mousasi, Shane Burgos. They got better deals elsewhere. Other stars that the UFC would like to have never arrive. Fedor, Pitbull, McKee.

Many industries have a company that pays the best and is regarded as the most attractive. That’s not anticompetitive. If anything it forces organizations like Bellator to have to dig deeper to be competitive.

You’re right that they’ll get some concessions here and there and that’s fine. But I don’t see the structural problem with having one organization that outperforms the others.

Eddie Alverez didn’t perform and they let him go. Moussasi and Burgos were only able to leave after the changes forced by the anti trust suit and if the UFC wins their case they will just go back to their old practices quietly.

What other industries have a dominant player that is literally 10-20 times the size of their closest competitor? There’s no competing for talent, TV contracts, sponsorships or anything else in that scenario. There’s only scraps that the dominant player chooses not to pursue. The whole point in having competition is to force innovation. Bellator and the PFL are forcing the UFC to do nothing. They are no threat to the UFC at any level.

The reason why the fighters don’t have healthcare, or more than the 17-20% of revenue is because the UFC doesn’t have to do better if no one else can. It’s the equivalent of there only being one team in the MLB and the competition being minor league baseball. The minor leagues pay an average of 68k/year. MLB pays an average of 4 million/ year. How much do you think MLB would pay if they only had to compete with minor league teams?

The UFC isn’t just the dominant player, it’s the only player.

 

[lsa]

Stipe is worth 4 million dollars, for what he accomplished in the sport, being the HW champion with most title defenses of all time, he should be set for life. Stop defending this bullshit compensation model and with the bullshit discretionary bonuses, the disclosed pay is what they are paid, plus of course the PPV points for the champions and exceptions like Conor McGregor and Brock Lesnar.....

Stop telling me what to do.
Secondly you still have absolutely no clue what Stipe makes.
Believe what you want to believe. But then you are also the guy that claimed Stipe did not love being a fire fighter.
Shows how much you know.

Should fighters be paid more? Yes.
I never said anything differently.
All I said is we dont know what they really make. But here you are making certain claims...

 

[pick999]

These guys shilling for dana in the video

 

[Givvee]

Stop telling me what to do.
Secondly you still have absolutely no clue what Stipe makes.
Believe what you want to believe. But then you are also the guy that claimed Stipe did not love being a fire fighter.
Shows how much you know.

Should fighters be paid more? Yes.
I never said anything differently.
All I said is we dont know what they really make. But here you are making certain claims...

I will tell you what to do or think, since you have no clue, I'm just leading you down the right path. No UFC fighter makes life changing money except Conor. Jon Jones is the most successful and most accomplished fighter in mma history, worth roughly 3 million dollars. If he was a boxer, with his ppv numbers, he would easily be worth over a 100.

We do know what they make.

 

[HaulParris]

These guys shilling for dana in the video

That's the only kind of "interview" that Dana does, where he gets to talk and the interviewer gets to agree.

 

[cheesus]

Dana is so petty, resigning Francis would still be huge, Jones vs Francis would be massive, Francis may be tough to deal with but he's willing to lower his demands why wouldn't you be open to it?

 

[LouisBolanos]

I will tell you what to do or think, since you have no clue, I'm just leading you down the right path. No UFC fighter makes life changing money except Conor. Jon Jones is the most successful and most accomplished fighter in mma history, worth roughly 3 million dollars. If he was a boxer, with his ppv numbers, he would easily be worth over a 100.

We do know what they make.

No UFC fighter makes life changing money except Conor? Jones worth roughly 3 million dollars? Where did you get these "facts" from, CelebrityNetworth.com?

You have no clue what Jones' worth, or how many fighters made life changing money, none of us do, stop talking out of your ass.

 

[DestinedAussie]

no matter what the goof doesn’t want him back even if he begged on his knees

Dana is enjoying Francis lack of success making a fight outside the UFC a little too much at this point. This is terrible for UFC fighters because UFC can hardball knowing there isn't better out there.

 

[spinup]

Dana is enjoying Francis lack of success making a fight outside the UFC a little too much at this point. This is terrible for UFC fighters because UFC can hardball knowing there isn't better out there.

There is better out there, but that depends on individual cases. If you have a bit of a name and solid talent but are not a UFC star, Bellator, PFL and KSW can offer more. If you are a big star or an early career fighter, UFC is probably the better option.
No one in MMA will pay Ngannou multiple millions per fight, but bellator or PFL will pay him more than what he was making in his UFC contract (the one he completed).

 

[DestinedAussie]

There is better out there, but that depends on individual cases. If you have a bit of a name and solid talent but are not a UFC star, Bellator, PFL and KSW can offer more. If you are a big star or an early career fighter, UFC is probably the better option.
No one in MMA will pay Ngannou multiple millions per fight, but bellator or PFL will pay him more than what he was making in his UFC contract (the one he completed).

But he turned down 8 million a fight. I doubt PFL or Bellator are going to beat or even match that (when Francis is looking for a lot more IMO probably 15-20 million).

There are some better options for particular fighters, but they are the ones the UFC are happy to let walk and have some else pay overs for them. For the UFC champs I don't think there are really better options.

 

[Fight Professor]

Dana did not lie about Paul Daley. I will give him a benefit of the doubt.