Dana is a scumbag who does everything he can to harm the fighters financially

[JBJisGOAT14]

Dana is scum.

 

[sickness666]

After so many years of Dana proving to everyone that he is the biggest scumbag, it is just extremely ridiculous that there are still people out there defending him.

That is the real tragedy for true fans of MMA.

 

[Luthien]

The tragedy is that Dana has groomed that Hunter guy to be even worse from what I hear
Once Dana is gone we will just get Darth Vader instead of Sidious

 

[World eater]

I guess most guys arguing here are Americans. Funny as it may be, an entry level pay of 10k + 10k is a yearly income in many countries of the world.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

He's a fight promoter. they're all like dana white.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Why do guys even do MMA honestly? Only a select few seem to come out with something.

Two chicks at the same time, man.

 

[Iroh]

Of course Dana doesn't think he's a scumbag. Not many scumbags do. Just like we shouldn't perceive crimes through criminal's eyes, we shouldn't perceive a scumbag's actions through the scumbag's eyes.

The problem is when you seem to imply the intent of Dana's actions. In that case, you do have to try to perceive it through their eyes, because that's what you are seemingly talking about.

Because this definitely seems to imply intent.

"a scumbag who does everything he can to harm the fighters financially "​

Refusing to be accurate out of spite just shows immaturity and does little for actually understanding the situation.

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[Marko Polo]

Dana is your stereotypical leech boss. He embraces it

 

[nonoob]

Remember kids, according to the top guy who wants to hire you for MMA, it "isn't a career."

B-bu-but w-we had his examples of fibbin', thought he was fibbin' again.

I didn't realize I voted for all those CEO's who admit that they've increased the prices for goods simple because there is no regulation against it and have created a global problem that isn't unique to the United States. I really gotta stop voting for corporate greed, I've apparently helped destroy the little people of the world.

Realizing we were right there, along with MB, voting for all those CEO's.
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[Greyscale]

The majority of them don't deserve to be paid at all.

 

[moreorless87]

Boxing fans must look on with amusement at a significant amount of the MMA community being fans of a promoter over the sport.

 

[BigGucci]

I fault them for a lot of shit, but if the fighters sign the contract to fight for them, then that's on them. They're obviously happy with their contract, but a random coach potato is fuming on the fighters behalf.

You should go into managing fighters and show them how it's done with their careers.

How is it 2024 and people are still using the "durrr if u don't like the pay get a different job" retard bullshit?

 

[don't ask]

The problem is when you seem to imply the intent of Dana's actions. In that case, you do have to try to perceive it through their eyes, because that's what you are seemingly talking about.

Because this definitely seems to imply intent.

"a scumbag who does everything he can to harm the fighters financially "​

Refusing to be accurate out of spite just shows immaturity and does little for actually understanding the situation.

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A huge part of the UFC's business strategy is to exploit the fighters by harming them financially. Let's not pretend it isn't just because Dana doesn't want to think of himself as a scumbag.

 

[spinup]

Another great vid by MixedMollyWhoppery:



Cliffs:

-inflation has cut a $50k bonus to $37k
-UFC is having record profits every year, but inflation is diminishing the bonus pay every year
-fighters lost hundreds of thousands of dollars when the UFC decided to keep their sponsorship money for themselves
-contracts with their win/show stipulation discourage risk-taking
-winning doesn't guarantee you a win bonus, it only enters you in a lottery for a potential bonus
-Dana seems unhappy when fighters ask him to increase bonus money at press conferences because he looks bad if he doesn't give in
-Dana blames fighters for him revoking the increased bonuses, acts like an ass or like he got ripped off when he put on an event at 5AM with exploitative contracts that incentivize fighters to just keep themselves safe and winning, no matter how boring it is
-factoring in inflation, $100k bonuses is closer to what the bonuses used to be in 2013
-UFC should guarantee the whole purse instead of withholding half if they lose
-fighters are experiencing death by a thousand cuts

Dana White and the UFC brass have a slave owner mentality.
The low pay is not just for profit, they believe you have to keep the fighters desperate for money to ensure they are ready to kill themselves on the job.

 

[PattyBates]

Another great vid by MixedMollyWhoppery:



Cliffs:

-inflation has cut a $50k bonus to $37k
-UFC is having record profits every year, but inflation is diminishing the bonus pay every year
-fighters lost hundreds of thousands of dollars when the UFC decided to keep their sponsorship money for themselves
-contracts with their win/show stipulation discourage risk-taking
-winning doesn't guarantee you a win bonus, it only enters you in a lottery for a potential bonus
-Dana seems unhappy when fighters ask him to increase bonus money at press conferences because he looks bad if he doesn't give in
-Dana blames fighters for him revoking the increased bonuses, acts like an ass or like he got ripped off when he put on an event at 5AM with exploitative contracts that incentivize fighters to just keep themselves safe and winning, no matter how boring it is
-factoring in inflation, $100k bonuses is closer to what the bonuses used to be in 2013
-UFC should guarantee the whole purse instead of withholding half if they lose
-fighters are experiencing death by a thousand cuts

Sounds like inflation is a problem.

 

[Streeter]

It won't last forever eventually mma will become like boxing like these self righteous fighter advocates want. When that happens sure the fighters might make more at the top but we would get a much more watered down shit cards with 1 maybe 2 good fights if lucky.


Honestly ufc fans don't know how lucky it is to be upset if there's only 3 good fights on a card - 3 good fights ia a boxing mega card. But you never know what you got till its gone.

 

[Iroh]

A huge part of the UFC's business strategy is to exploit the fighters by harming them financially. Let's not pretend it isn't just because Dana doesn't want to think of himself as a scumbag.

I don't think the poster who brought up Dana's perspective was trying to say it's because Dana doesn't want to see himself as a scumbag, but just that his motivation isn't to harm fighters financially as much as he can.

First off, I, personally, don't think he generally is trying to harm them financially, as much as he tries to limit and control them. There is a significant difference, though scummy either way.

What the poster you quoted likely meant is that he tries to enrich himself as much as possible and doesn't care if it means others don't get their fair share, instead of that his actual goal is to hurt fighters financially. It has nothing to do with how Dana sees himself.

I personally think there is some truth in that, though it's more complicated than that, because Dana is far from the only guy making the decisions, nor does he always have the final say. However, he does definitely have a big share in the responsibility of a lot of shady business practices that concern fighters' finances.

The way you are bringing it, though, comes across like Dana is some Disney villain and just does evil things for the sake of it.

People who are a bit less emotional labout this subject (possibly because they have seen a million and one similar threads/discussions like these before), but do take this subject seriously, they will value the nuances of business as they want to really understand why things happen and possibly think of a solution, if they have a firm answer to why it is happening. Which takes a level-headed approach and not an approach where you instantly see everything as a defense for Dana if it's somewhat critical of your approach

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

This is a @Only Here for Attachments wet dream for a thread.

Hopefully this shuts down all the jokers calling me a Dana shill because I don't like Franci$

 

[Kevster]

Oh yippee another let’s fake outrage about fighter pay thread.

Wonder how many would put their hands in their pockets to help out.

 

[pamirec]

Dana is just a frontman, he has control to an extent but the majority of the decisions are made by the real owners or on guidelines that they have given to him.
There's only one man who can save the UFC now ....

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Underrated take. He’s just the scumbag they need. Many people think Dana leaving the UFC would change things positively. In reality, It ain’t gonna change shit.