Dan Ige campaigns for MMA landscape without weight cutting

[m249viking]

yeah. people who rely on pace. being big and heavy is counterintuitive to that. also having longer limbs and being taller/bigger overall makes you less efficient at using energy. if you notice a lot of the high pace guys are small for the division. Volk, Frankie Edgar at 155lb, Cain, Colby etc.,

another style is if you're a skill fighter. you don't NEED those physical advantages the same way someone who fights like Brock Lesnar or Johny Hendricks does.

the last style is if you're a speed fighter. if you're fast at HW it does not mean you'll be faster at LHW. you yourself might be faster but the lighter competitors will be even faster than the weight class you're coming from.

the other thing is weight cutting affects individuals differently. if you're bigger but your durability is compromised from the weight cut you really have to take care not to incur so much damage which will also change the way you fight if you weren't compromised. worse is if you don't realize you are compromised and go out and fight your fight like you can't be hurt and then are surprised by getting devastated in the actual fight.

I think you're just trying to convince yourself. And no one said "NEED". And, do smaller fighters fight that way because there's no other option?

 

[Poatan Power]

Then he should go first and stop cutting weight.

?? This seems so out of context and tweet brained.

The whole system is a joke when it comes down to it. And everybody UFC/commissions are making money. So why change it?

This is really what it boils down to: it's what we've always done, which is the biggest hurdle to implementing change of a system.

Nobody ever has a plan for how they would actually ban weight cuts. As well as who is going to oversee and pay for it, and why.

It would have to be an organizational cost and I guess they'd have to have someone with a weight scale weighing you on random days 3x a week for like 8 weeks leading up to the fight, or something, lol.

 

[Tito Tapped]

Some fighters can cut more weight than others. Tough shit. Some fighters are taller and have longer reach too. Should we start having height classes because it's not fair to pudgy manlets?

 

[Goatenstein]

If he hates it so much he can fight at 155 or 170 or wherever he wants without cutting weight. Set an example.

 

[Kwic]

They could never do same day weigh ins the way things are now. Shit would be cancelled left and right. And it would be negligent of a commission to allow fights in such a dehydrated state. People would actually die.

I don’t know why they can’t figure something out. But it’s probably because they just don’t want to. And since nobody has died in the UFC, it’s business as usual. What the UFC wants, NSAC allows. Power Slap for instance. And the commissions elsewhere more or less follow Nevada as far as mma is concerned. NYSAC is stricter about weight misses. CSAC has their solution, but so few UFC events take place there it’s not having an effect.

A PHD blew up ONE championship’s weight cutting system as possibly being even more dangerous because it’s easy to fool the hydration test.

I’ve wanted it changed forever. But I don’t see anything changng. Just like incompetent, or corrupt reffing, and judging.

The whole system is a joke when it comes down to it. And everybody UFC/commissions are making money. So why change it?

I think it would be as you said but only I'm the beginning. People would then have to learn because a severe punishment for causing cancelation would have to be in place, like.. Losing your job shortly after.

But yeah, getting through the first few months would be tough for the orgs.

 

[lifer26]

They would have to change all the weight classes I feel.
Guys like chandler and Islam would be middleweights

 

[Dorkman]

Why is weight cutting even a thing? 155 weightclass? Nobody is 155 when fight is happening

Because all it takes is one person to do it. Then everyone else is just smaller than them. And the rest are put into the spot of “follow suit or be dwarfed”

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I think you're just trying to convince yourself. And no one said "NEED". And, do smaller fighters fight that way because there's no other option?

convince myself of what? if you watch enough MMA the evidence is there. sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that bigger is always better. how did that work out for TJ Dillashaw vs Henry Cejudo? how come Semmy Schilt wasn't a UFC/MMA champion? how come Stefan Struve wasn't a UFC champion? how come Brock got his ass kicked by little Cain Velasquez? how come DC dominated so many guys in the biggest and heaviest division in MMA? why did Randy Couture beat Tim Sylvia so easily? if being small is such a detriment why did all those things happen? how come i even have to explain things like this to somebody who is supposedly a fan of MMA? this is common sense. if you actually cared you'd understand all of this is backed by science. small people are more efficient in energy, that is undeniable.

as for having no other option, Henry Cejudo doesn't use pace and he's not a speed based fighter. he's a pressure fighter who fights in bursts. you clearly missed my point on the "NEED" part. i capitalized that because skill based fighters COULD use those physical traits to their advantage, they just don't HAVE TO. don't ask me questions if you already have all the answers, professor.

 

[blaseblase]

There's an easy solution to weight cutting. Adopt the California system. Fighters are weighed on fight night and then told to move up in weight class if they cut more than the recommended percentage of body weight. But ultimately neither the UFC nor the other commissions are particularly interested in fixing this issue.

 

[ChimRichalds]

Would be nice, that's for sure. The quality of fights would dramatically increase if guys weren't draining themselves so much before the actual fights.

 

[MT5]

Nobody ever has a plan for how they would actually ban weight cuts. As well as who is going to oversee and pay for it, and why.

The fact that every other combat sport has the same issue is gonna be a problem. It'd be cool for the UFC to lead the charge but in order for it to stick its probably gotta get down as far as high school wrasslin' culture. I never wrestled but I remember friends doing crazy shit running around in 100 degree weather in trashbag suits and stuff.

And even with same day weigh ins people are gonna do dangerous shit. I mean I'm 45 and I fuckin' found myself having to dehydrate 4 or 5 pounds for an ammy boxing match 2 months ago. You can propose something like multiple surprise weigh ins during camp and average them (or some other crazy complex system like that) or have people weigh in as they step into the cage (which is undoable i would think). But, realistically, any system that is do-able is game-able. Or at least people will (unhealthily) try.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

?? This seems so out of context and tweet brained.



This is really what it boils down to: it's what we've always done, which is the biggest hurdle to implementing change of a system.



It would have to be an organizational cost and I guess they'd have to have someone with a weight scale weighing you on random days 3x a week for like 8 weeks leading up to the fight, or something, lol.

I think perhaps I've upset you. The point is, he shouldn't be pouting that weight cutting should stop while he continues to cut weight. Practice what you preach. Don't expect other people to do things that you aren't even doing yourself or you'll be laughed at and called a hypocrite.

 

[Poatan Power]

I think perhaps I've upset you. The point is, he shouldn't be pouting that weight cutting should stop while he continues to cut weight. Practice what you preach. Don't expect other people to do things that you aren't even doing yourself or you'll be laughed at and called a hypocrite.

Yeah I was upset, but you're still acting like a buffoon. Citing that something shouldn't be in the sport while competing in the sport is not hypocritical. It's a part of the sport and he thinks the sport should evolve past it and asserts that the sport performance would be better without it. You're an absolute fool touting that he should not cut weight because he believes it's bad for the sport, as if getting smashed by dudes 25 lbs heavier than him will somehow cure his totally fabricated (by you) hypocrisy.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

Yeah I was upset, but you're still acting like a buffoon. Citing that something shouldn't be in the sport while competing in the sport is not hypocritical. It's a part of the sport and he thinks the sport should evolve past it and asserts that the sport performance would be better without it. You're an absolute fool touting that he should not cut weight because he believes it's bad for the sport, as if getting smashed by dudes 25 lbs heavier than him will somehow cure his totally fabricated (by you) hypocrisy.

I can tell you're still upset by the way you are now pouting. Don't expect people to change if you're not willing to step up and take the lead. It's really simple. Plenty of guys have moved up a weight class and have been successful. One thing I do know is that whining about it while taking no action yourself will not resolve it.