• Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version.

Cyborg power clean lifts 165lbs! WOW!

rurouni said:
Gabi-Garcia.0.jpg
Click to expand...
if you put a hand down garcias knicks right then, itd be like a horse eating oats
 
Lots said:
Haha no technique. She just muscled that shit up. Which is almost more impressive.

Compared to female Olympic weightlifters it’s not very good. For a fighter it’s not bad.



It’s all technique.
Click to expand...


Sure, it takes no strength to clean and jerk 190 kg. That's why 100 pound children can do it with the correct technique. I've no idea why they even bother with weight divisions in Olympic lifting given how technique driven it is.

Yes, there's some technique in Olympic lifting (and power lifting, and sprinting, and long jump), but it 95% power and strength. I suspect if Cyborg (or 99.99% of Sherdog posters) had a 190 kg bar lowered onto their outstretched arms she (and they) would collapse.

If you don't believe this, try this experiment we've used in the gym with people who think its all technique. Get a couple of (strong) guys to lower a weight on your outstretched arms (ie the end of the military press position). Totally takes away the technique, right? Then see if you can hold it. Guys who easily bench three plates and who think Olympic lifters are all technique always collapse under the same 315 pounds held overhead. And yet tiny (125 pound) Olympic lifters (guys) hold that over their heads.

In fact, I doubt Cyborg (or 99.99% of Sherdog posters) could do a front squat with 190 kg. That Olympic lifter is much stronger than Cyborg; they're in completely different leagues of strength. Now of course in a MMA fight Cyborg would beat her as easily as Tim Sylvia beat Pudzionowski, but thinking Cyborg is as strong as that lifter is as silly as thinking Tim was as strong as Pud.

And of course that woman has failed PED tests. On the other hand, so has Cyborg, so that's a wash.
 
Last edited:
dirtysalsa said:
Your kind keep saying this but where’s your proof? She’s been fighting clean for years but you delusional bunch keep using steroids/PEDs as an excuse. Leave that to USADA, they haven’t caught her.
Click to expand...
she got muscle she would never have, from steroids. then kept the majority after she became clean. this stinks in the opinion of lots of fighters and fans.
 
165lbs? I expected her to lift more. Not kidding, that sounds kinda small weight for Cyborg.
 
xn7 said:
Is it impressive for person that weighs 400lbs to lift 400lbs. nah.

Oh, from wikipedia "In September 2016, Kashirina was suspended from competition for two years after failing an anti-doping control."

NICE.
Click to expand...

The record for a lift for a 165 pound woman is 330 pounds - and lifters have same day weighins, so that's her walkaround weight, so that 165 pound woman is smaller than Cyborg. Seriously, athletes who train for strength are going to be stronger than fighters; Cyborg is strong compared to most women (and actually most men), but she's nowhere near being strong compared to serious female strength athletes (most of which use PED's as frequently as Cyborg has).

People take the Cyborg thing too seriously. She's not stronger than a female Olympic lifter her size, she's not faster than an Olympic level female 100 m sprinter. WMMA simply doesn't have the same level of competition of even Olympic weightlifting (which is another reason why it was so hilarious to have Rousey called the greatest female athlete over women like Serena Williams - who I'd bet is also stronger than Cyborg in pure strength, though of course Cyborg would easily beat her in any combat sport).
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Serena Williams - who I'd bet is also stronger than Cyborg in pure strength, though of course Cyborg would easily beat her in any combat sport).
Click to expand...
Just based on her powerful serves? One of the first things I found when I googled "Serena Williams strength" is an interview where she said she isn't that strong in the weight room. http://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/healt...m/news-story/797bc0565451ec0706a5afb89a9c5986 You wouldn't assume a star fastball pitcher is immensely strong based solely on that would you?
 
xn7 said:
Is it impressive for person that weighs 400lbs to lift 400lbs. nah.

Oh, from wikipedia "In September 2016, Kashirina was suspended from competition for two years after failing an anti-doping control."

NICE.
Click to expand...
Who weighs 400lbs? That woman weighs 225, not that much more than Cyborg. You trying to tell me that Cyborg never dabbled in "special vitamins?" I'm not impressed with someone who looks like a tank lifting about their body weight. Almost double your body weight in that lift is very impressive.
 
BigMuffler said:
Just based on her powerful serves? One of the first things I found when I googled "Serena Williams strength" is an interview where she said she isn't that strong in the weight room. http://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/healt...m/news-story/797bc0565451ec0706a5afb89a9c5986 You wouldn't assume a star fastball pitcher is immensely strong based solely on that would you?
Click to expand...

Hmm. The power of repetition of motion millions of times over and specific muscle development. Who's have thunk it?

Ps: Serena started the thick booty trend first. Believe that.
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Sure, it takes no strength to clean and jerk 190 kg. That's why 100 pound children can do it with the correct technique. I've no idea why they even bother with weight divisions in Olympic lifting given how technique driven it is.

Yes, there's some technique in Olympic lifting (and power lifting, and sprinting, and long jump), but it 95% power and strength. I suspect if Cyborg (or 99.99% of Sherdog posters) had a 190 kg bar lowered onto their outstretched arms she (and they) would collapse.

If you don't believe this, try this experiment we've used in the gym with people who think its all technique. Get a couple of (strong) guys to lower a weight on your outstretched arms (ie the end of the military press position). Totally takes away the technique, right? Then see if you can hold it. Guys who easily bench three plates and who think Olympic lifters are all technique always collapse under the same 315 pounds held overhead. And yet tiny (125 pound) Olympic lifters (guys) hold that over their heads.

In fact, I doubt Cyborg (or 99.99% of Sherdog posters) could do a front squat with 190 kg. That Olympic lifter is much stronger than Cyborg; they're in completely different leagues of strength. Now of course in a MMA fight Cyborg would beat her as easily as Tim Sylvia beat Pudzionowski, but thinking Cyborg is as strong as that lifter is as silly as thinking Tim was as strong as Pud.

And of course that woman has failed PED tests. On the other hand, so has Cyborg, so that's a wash.
Click to expand...
Where'd you get 190kg? I see her lifting 150kg. There's a big difference between the two.
 
She wasn't stronger than holly or the last person she fought.

They were able to out mussel her in a way that I thought they wouldn't be able to.
 
MadDogMahoney said:
<{nope}>
Click to expand...
HlDK8-.gif

Fake bitches like Kim can't compete with natural thick like Serena brung.
http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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
 
SugarKrok said:
HlDK8-.gif

Fake bitches like Kim can't compete with natural thick like Serena brung.
http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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
Click to expand...

I know u trollin but I actually agree. She didn't start it though. I take issue with that.
 
Kaboom said:
she got muscle she would never have, from steroids. then kept the majority after she became clean. this stinks in the opinion of lots of fighters and fans.
Click to expand...
No roids dont work like that. You dont keep any muscle gained from juice after cessation of use. Stop commenting on a subject you know nothing about.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,259,517
Messages
56,970,584
Members
175,485
Latest member
Dark Lord

Share this page

Back
Top