Current MMA Champions by age

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

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This is so bad it s great.

 

[DoctorsStoppage]

This is so bad it s great.

I know, right?

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

1. Yan is a baby.

2. 32-33 is pretty much prime age for a championship level MMA fighter.

At age 26, Penn won ufc lw title, ufc ww title, and something called rumble lw title.
At the ages u mentioned he started falling into sad losing streak.

Jon Jones in his late 20s won and defended the lhw title into GOAThood, in the ages u mentioned he started slowing down, getting controversial decisions in a weaker era and whatever he’s doing now it’s getting worse.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I know, right?

It's brilliant and gave me a good laugh getting out of bed this morning in a shitty day.

 

[Iron Nick]

@Fioretti @John makfresshi

Fedor wasn't as much out of his physical prime as he was - for whatever reason - stopping to mix his grappling up with his striking and becoming a headhunter not long before he started losing first.

 

[BFoe]

@Fioretti @John makfresshi

Fedor wasn't as much out of his physical prime as he was - for whatever reason - stopping to mix his grappling up with his striking and becoming a headhunter not long before he started losing first.

Injuries and wear and tear. He had already lost to Ivanov in sambo almost 2 years before the Werdum loss, and his grappling continued to decline from there. I think Fedor continued to participate in sambo tournaments up until close to his first retirement, but never at the level that he previously used to.

 

[Fioretti]

@Fioretti @John makfresshi

Fedor wasn't as much out of his physical prime as he was - for whatever reason - stopping to mix his grappling up with his striking and becoming a headhunter not long before he started losing first.

Many factors, but we can't ignore it was the first time he consistently faced top competition. He was still fast and strong as shit.

 

[Iron Nick]

Injuries and wear and tear. He had already lost to Ivanov in sambo almost 2 years before the Werdum loss, and his grappling continued to decline from there. I think Fedor continued to participate in sambo tournaments up until close to his first retirement, but never at the level that he previously used to.

Many factors, but we can't ignore it was the first time he consistently faced top competition. He was still fast and strong as shit.

He was still elite for sure.

BFoe provides some more insights thougj regarding wear and tear, see the quote above yours.

 

[Fioretti]

He was still elite for sure.

BFoe provides some more insights thougj regarding wear and tear, see the quote above yours.

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the "wear and tear" angle. Fedro took very little damage throughout his career, prior to his losing streak. Everybody has wear and tear from training, it's not exclusive to him.

 

[BFoe]

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the "wear and tear" angle. Fedro took very little damage throughout his career, prior to his losing streak. Everybody has wear and tear from training, it's not exclusive to him.

No, but it affects everyone differently. Fedor also did judo and sambo for years and years. Some wrestlers/grapplers are able to do it for a long time, some can’t. Depends on the fighter, and the discipline they practice. Ronda for example always maintained that her career would be short because her knees were shot just from judo. Knee injuries are pretty common in judo, and as I mentioned last night whatever the deal was with Fedor’s left knee plagued him for years.

But it’s cool if you’re not big on this angle, as you know I am not big on your “consistently facing top competition” angle

 

[Fioretti]

No, but it affects everyone differently. Fedor also did judo and sambo for years and years. Some wrestlers/grapplers are able to do it for a long time, some can’t. Depends on the fighter, and the discipline they practice. Ronda for example always maintained that her career would be short because her knees were shot just from judo. Knee injuries are pretty common in judo, and as I mentioned last night whatever the deal was with Fedor’s left knee plagued him for years.

But it’s cool if you’re not big on this angle, as you know I am not big on your “consistently facing top competition” angle

Well, one angle is not debatable. 3-1 and 3-3, brah.

 

[BFoe]

There is an argument you make, which I’ve seen you phrase 2 different ways. Sometimes you say

He lost the first time he fought 4 top 10 guys in a row, and went 3-3 the first time he fought 6.

This is technically true, but it’s misleading and I don’t think it’s relevant in the case of this particular fighter.
Sometimes you phrase it as

Fedor wasn't declining, he just started losing when he consistently fought top competition

And that’s totally inaccurate.

If Fedor (or any fighter) only got in the ring with good competition once every 2-3 years or something, and fought nobodies the rest of the time then you’d have a very valid point. I could post his resume year by year if you want, but for now I’ll just mention ‘04 and ‘05. In the course of 16 months, Fedor fought Coleman, Randleman, Nogueira two different times, and Mirko. That’s 5 fights against legit competition in less than a year and a half. That isn’t consistently facing top competition? Of course it is. You can say “Ah, but he also fought Ogawa and TK in that time period, so he he didn’t fight top competition in a row.”
And that’s true, but what difference does it make? None at all. It just means that in 16 months, he fought a pretty astounding 7 times, 5 of which were against legit top completion. And was unbeaten.

 

[Fioretti]

There is an argument you make, which I’ve seen you phrase 2 different ways. Sometimes you say

This is technically true, but it’s misleading and I don’t think it’s relevant in the case of this particular fighter.
Sometimes you phrase it as

And that’s totally inaccurate.

If Fedor (or any fighter) only got in the ring with good competition once every 2-3 years or something, and fought nobodies the rest of the time then you’d have a very valid point. I could post his resume year by year if you want, but for now I’ll just mention ‘04 and ‘05. In the course of 16 months, Fedor fought Coleman, Randleman, Nogueira two different times, and Mirko. That’s 5 fights against legit competition in less than a year and a half. That isn’t consistently facing top competition? Of course it is. You can say “Ah, but he also fought Ogawa and TK in that time period, so he he didn’t fight top competition in a row.”
And that’s true, but what difference does it make? None at all. It just means that in 16 months, he fought a pretty astounding 7 times, 5 of which were against legit top completion. And was unbeaten.

I mean, you said it yourself, and obviously it was a factor....he didn't fight them in a row. He always had some unranked and freakshow fights sprinkled in. Even Randleman qualifies as less than stellar comp. He beat Mirko in the middle of a 1-6 run.

When Fedro consistently fought top competition, he lost. It clearly made a difference. As the #1 HW in the world, he should have been only fighting top 5 guys. Top 10 occassionally if necessary, but never unranked or freakshows. He wasn't old, out of prime, or shopworn. He was consistently fighting better fighters. He went on another nice winning streak after he lost 3 in a row. Why?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

At age 26, Penn won ufc lw title, ufc ww title, and something called rumble lw title.
At the ages u mentioned he started falling into sad losing streak.

Jon Jones in his late 20s won and defended the lhw title into GOAThood, in the ages u mentioned he started slowing down, getting controversial decisions in a weaker era and whatever he’s doing now it’s getting worse.

Right, and both of those guys are outliers. Isn't Jon the youngest champ ever?

 

[BFoe]

I mean, you said it yourself, and obviously it was a factor....he didn't fight them in a row. He always had some unranked and freakshow fights sprinkled in. Even Randleman qualifies as less than stellar comp. He beat Mirko in the middle of a 1-6 run.

When Fedro consistently fought top competition, he lost. It clearly made a difference. As the #1 HW in the world, he should have been only fighting top 5 guys. Top 10 occassionally if necessary, but never unranked or freakshows. He wasn't old, out of prime, or shopworn. He was consistently fighting better fighters. He went on another nice winning streak after he lost 3 in a row. Why?

But he did consistently fight top competition, that’s my point. He fought them as often as fighters do today. The fact that Fedor had more fights on top of that just creates more of the wear and tear we’ve talked about, from having additional fights and additional fight camps. If we were to pull up Fedor’s resume, Stipe’s resume, and Ngannou’s resume (for example) you’ll find that Fedor fought good competition just as frequently as they did.
If you look at the Strikeforce losses, they occurred in June 2010, Feb 2011, and July 2011. That’s 13 months. He fought Coleman, Randleman, and Nog twice (2nd and 3rd fights) in the same span. He fought Schilt, Herring, and Nog (first fight) in that same span as well.
The Strikeforce losses happened for a variety of reasons, but mainly wear and tear was catching up with him and he was leaving his prime. Not shot at all by any means, but leaving his prime. Although I do feel his chin was compromised from the Bigfoot fight onward.

 

[Fioretti]

But he did consistently fight top competition, that’s my point. He fought them as often as fighters do today. The fact that Fedor had more fights on top of that just creates more of the wear and tear we’ve talked about, from having additional fights and additional fight camps. If we were to pull up Fedor’s resume, Stipe’s resume, and Ngannou’s resume (for example) you’ll find that Fedor fought good competition just as frequently as they did.
If you look at the Strikeforce losses, they occurred in June 2010, Feb 2011, and July 2011. That’s 13 months. He fought Coleman, Randleman, and Nog twice (2nd and 3rd fights) in the same span. He fought Schilt, Herring, and Nog (first fight) in that same span as well.
The Strikeforce losses happened for a variety of reasons, but mainly wear and tear was catching up with him and he was leaving his prime. Not shot at all by any means, but leaving his prime. Although I do feel his chin was compromised from the Bigfoot fight onward.

Including Randleman in there seems like a stretch. The biggest knock on Fedor is his competition, bro, you know that. I didn't say he never fought top comp, but I am saying he only should've been fighting top comp, and that's not what he did. It's a padded record/streak, and when the padding was removed, he started losing.

 

[BFoe]

Including Randleman in there seems like a stretch. The biggest knock on Fedor is his competition, bro, you know that. I didn't say he never fought top comp, but I am saying he only should've been fighting top comp, and that's not what he did. It's a padded record/streak, and when the padding was removed, he started losing.

Even if you removed Randleman, it would still be 3 fights in that span against good competition, same as Strikeforce.
I’m not trying to be difficult here btw, I’m being sincere. If fighting 3 good fighters in 13 months counts as consistently fighting top competition like you say about the Strikeforce run, then it needs to count every time Fedor did that in his career. That’s all I’m saying.
I totally agree that it’s easier to put together a long win streak if less than stellar comp is included. But you are indicating it has a bearing on how well he performed against good competition— like somehow it’s easier to beat the Nogs, Hunts, and Mirkos of the world if there’s a TK or Nagata fight sandwiched in there too, and that’s what I’m not following.

I get that we disagree, but do you at least see where it coming from? Am I making sense here lol?

 

[John makfresshi]

Even if you removed Randleman, it would still be 3 fights in that span against good competition, same as Strikeforce.
I’m not trying to be difficult here btw, I’m being sincere. If fighting 3 good fighters in 13 months counts as consistently fighting top competition like you say about the Strikeforce run, then it needs to count every time Fedor did that in his career. That’s all I’m saying.
I totally agree that it’s easier to put together a long win streak if less than stellar comp is included. But you are indicating it has a bearing on how well he performed against good competition— like somehow it’s easier to beat the Nogs, Hunts, and Mirkos of the world if there’s a TK or Nagata fight sandwiched in there too, and that’s what I’m not following.

I get that we disagree, but do you at least see where it coming from? Am I making sense here lol?

I think keeping fresh does guys a world of good, as far as scheduling fights. If you stay in the cage and don’t take these long layoffs it only makes for more comfortability in those situations. And when you can do it against people who have no business being in there with the no 1 guy in the world, of course they are going to out preform the guy who hasn’t had the same luxury. When you get to stay sharp by fighting Nagata after a tough fight, get your feet wet constantly, you are more comfortable going against the next worthy opponent. Fedor has an entire org relying on his success as a hw, so they made his path as comfortable as possible. When he didn’t get the same treatment and couldn’t have “play fights” and it was a top guy one fight after another, he simply couldn’t replicate what he was doing. It was too much pressure and too much talent for him to do it under the eye of an athletic commission. Wear and tear is the easy way out of excuse making. Everyone has it. You saw his confirmation of scheduling being his real enemy when he unretired to fight fucking Jaideep Singh

 

[BFoe]

I think keeping fresh does guys a world of good, as far as scheduling fights. If you stay in the cage and don’t take these long layoffs it only makes for more comfortability in those situations. And when you can do it against people who have no business being in there with the no 1 guy in the world, of course they are going to out preform the guy who hasn’t had the same luxury. When you get to stay sharp by fighting Nagata after a tough fight, get your feet wet constantly, you are more comfortable going against the next worthy opponent. Fedor has an entire org relying on his success as a hw, so they made his path as comfortable as possible. When he didn’t get the same treatment and couldn’t have “play fights” and it was a top guy one fight after another, he simply couldn’t replicate what he was doing. It was too much pressure and too much talent for him to do it under the eye of an athletic commission. Wear and tear is the easy way out of excuse making. Everyone has it. You saw his confirmation of scheduling being his real enemy when he unretired to fight fucking Jaideep Singh

It’s an interesting POV that those fights keep him sharper, but I don’t think that holds up when you look at Fedor’s record. There were no “play fights” when he fought Schilt followed by Herring followed by Nog. Or Sylvia followed by Arlovski followed by Rogers, and he won all those fights (even with a decent layoff, as Sylvia was his only fight in ‘08).

I think it’s tough to make many assumptions when we’re talking about Fedor’s return in 2015. Even for a return at age 38, I agree that Jaideep was way too low level of an opponent. But we also saw 41-42 y/o Fedor fight 3x in 9 months in the HW GP, and thats a rough schedule for anyone. He won 2 of the 3 fights. He was never likely to beat Bader at this point in his career, but was also sick and injured and nearly pulled out of that fight for those reasons.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

But sherdog told me Fedor was way past his prime at the age of 33. Yet somehow someway the average age of a champion is 32~? Somethings not right here.

I'm starting to think Fedor's fanbase might be a bit delusional.