CTE... If anyone can add to this or learn from it.

Fighters, especially young, should be aware of risks so can minimize unnecessary trauma < heavy sparring> . Fans should also be aware and hopefully be more understanding for stoppages.

Stroke victims sometimes make progress recovering brain functionality but varies and no idea if CTE can be mitigated.
 
I actually do agree with you
.. posted another post in thread which backs up alot of what you're saying , This ,I guess, was my initial reaction.
Yea I gotcha. Serious shit. And if most men are like me, when I was playing football I gave no shits about my health because I wasn't worried about getting injured. So when people do get repeatedly injured, they need to have outside agencies step in and make a decision. For pro-athletes, I'm sure the UFC, NFL, etc...could add severance packages.
 


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My friend in São Paulo says Shogun is punch drunk and can barely understand him when he speaks in interviews due to that and his redneck accent.

CTE man. Brutal stuff.

Shogun is considered redneck in brazil? LMAO
 
nope, boxing is worse for CTE.

wait till we have a similar body of evidence between the two to conclude that. No doubt getting hit in the head in any sport is bad for long term health but to sit here and say one is safer than the other sounds retarded.
 
wait till we have a similar body of evidence between the two to conclude that. No doubt getting hit in the head in any sport is bad for long term health but to sit here and say one is safer than the other sounds retarded.
I don't think you know how evidence works. You don't need both bodies to be of equal size to compare them, you implement statistical analysis to find any statistically significant differences using confidence intervals. Prevalence of short term effect can predict long term incidence so there is no real issue there either. A quick google search will show you comparative studies between the sports.

But yeah, retarded and shit. You're a real treasure, champ.
 
Don't want to freak you out, but the eariler you start, the worse it can be. I got KTFO when I was a senior in high school, the guy just flat blind-sided me. I'm 65 now, and every time I have trouble with a name or a word, I think about it. I'd have killed that f*cker if I ever saw him again, but no such luck.

We have a 65yo sherbro ?
Way to go, grandpa
 
Fighters, especially young, should be aware of risks so can minimize unnecessary trauma < heavy sparring> . Fans should also be aware and hopefully be more understanding for stoppages.

Stroke victims sometimes make progress recovering brain functionality but varies and no idea if CTE can be mitigated.
Depends on the extent of damage and where at. The brain can heal up to a certain point over the course of a year. Understanding where the threshold of no return is unknown and a lot of luck. CTE can be greatly mitigated by a very light tap barely making contact as opposed to hard sparring. When you don't know what you're doing and badly need experience hard sparring makes sense because it gets the reflexes, timing, and nervous jitters of full contact out. Once that's happened you are doing your self a disservice going hard. At least I know Robbie Lawler would back me up on this.
 
I don't think you know how evidence works. You don't need both bodies to be of equal size to compare them, you implement statistical analysis to find any statistically significant differences using confidence intervals. Prevalence of short term effect can predict long term incidence so there is no real issue there either. A quick google search will show you comparative studies between the sports.

But yeah, retarded and shit. You're a real treasure, champ.

lmfao theres no logical or valid argument to say getting your head pounded off the mat after a brutal head kick KO as many times as the referee see's fit is somehow going to be better for the long term health of a fighter as opposed to just taking regular punches to the head. Over all boxers are typically entirely more defensively sound and benefit from having massive pillow gloves to hide behind. You're trying to dictate evidence by your opinion but you're not considering any of the variables. You as most people with a bias towards one thing or another like to try and skewer fact to fit your opinion rather than letting your opinion be determined by the facts. The fact is there's simply not enough sample size in a sport as young as MMA which as only in the last few decades went from bare knuckle bar fights to a legitimized sport. CTE and combat sports go hand and hand period. NFL isn't even a combat sport but CTE is a massive elephant in the room simply due to the contact aspect of it. Though for the sake of the human beings involved I would LOVE to just blindly follow your opinion and HOPE its true but there's literally nothing to validate that. Whatever happend to that guy Barboza kicked into a coma? after literally only ONE KO loss on his record he went and decide to play in traffic. Dude is basically brain dead. MMA is a brutal sport, as brutal as any. But literally no boxer on earth punches as hard as a headkick and literally no boxing event on earth allows you to bludgeon an unconscious opponent.

If you can honestly sit here and suggest MMA is a safe sport than I might assume you suffer from CTE as well. CTE will run rampant in MMA the same way it does in boxing and the same way it does in the NFL it is quite literally the nature of the beast in any contact sport. We already have plenty of punch drunk fighters it's fucking insane that you'd deny it.
 
lmfao theres no logical or valid argument to say getting your head pounded off the mat after a brutal head kick KO as many times as the referee see's fit is somehow going to be better for the long term health of a fighter as opposed to just taking regular punches to the head. Over all boxers are typically entirely more defensively sound and benefit from having massive pillow gloves to hide behind. You're trying to dictate evidence by your opinion but you're not considering any of the variables. You as most people with a bias towards one thing or another like to try and skewer fact to fit your opinion rather than letting your opinion be determined by the facts. The fact is there's simply not enough sample size in a sport as young as MMA which as only in the last few decades went from bare knuckle bar fights to a legitimized sport. CTE and combat sports go hand and hand period. NFL isn't even a combat sport but CTE is a massive elephant in the room simply due to the contact aspect of it. Though for the sake of the human beings involved I would LOVE to just blindly follow your opinion and HOPE its true but there's literally nothing to validate that. Whatever happend to that guy Barboza kicked into a coma? after literally only ONE KO loss on his record he went and decide to play in traffic. Dude is basically brain dead. MMA is a brutal sport, as brutal as any. But literally no boxer on earth punches as hard as a headkick and literally no boxing event on earth allows you to bludgeon an unconscious opponent.

If you can honestly sit here and suggest MMA is a safe sport than I might assume you suffer from CTE as well. CTE will run rampant in MMA the same way it does in boxing and the same way it does in the NFL it is quite literally the nature of the beast in any contact sport. We already have plenty of punch drunk fighters it's fucking insane that you'd deny it.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546514526151
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/178/2/280/122944
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4555522/
https://alzres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/alzrt177
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00913847.2018.1430451?journalCode=ipsm20
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/9/661.long
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/036354659302100117
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034695/

These are some of the thousands of studies conducted regarding chronic injuries relating to head trauma in boxing and MMA. A simple meta-analytic review is all that is required to elucidate statistical discongruity between the two sports.

p.s. Do not overuse the adverb 'literally' incorrectly; it reveals your lack of intelligence. This is my final response, please learn something.
 
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546514526151
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/178/2/280/122944
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4555522/
https://alzres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/alzrt177
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00913847.2018.1430451?journalCode=ipsm20
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/9/661.long
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/036354659302100117
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034695/

These are some of the thousands of studies conducted regarding chronic injuries relating to head trauma in boxing and MMA. A simple meta-analytic review is all that is required to elucidate statistical discongruity between the two sports.

p.s. Do not overuse the adverb 'literally' incorrectly; it reveals your lack of intelligence. This is my final response, please learn something.

from your articles:

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Conclusion:
Rates of KOs and TKOs in MMA are higher than previously reported rates in other combative and contact sports. Public health authorities and physicians should be cognizant of the rates and mechanisms of head trauma. Preventive measures to lessen the risks of head trauma for those who elect to participate in MMA are described."

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, Georgia), nearly 1 million individuals experience a concussion each year, frequently in the setting of organized sports (27). Moreover, there has been increasing recognition in the scientific and lay media of retired athletes who have died with pathologically confirmed CTE (3). Yet little is known about how repeated concussions or subconcussive blows to the head lead to a chronic neurodegenerative condition such as CTE. There are no existent biological markers for early detection of CTE, our knowledge of the risk factors for development of CTE is limited, and we know little of the spectrum of other brain disorders that may be related to cumulative head trauma (2, 4, 5–7)."

"Furthermore, frequency of fighting may be a complementary variable that requires consideration; fighting more frequently may reduce the time the brain has to fully recover from prior trauma and may be a risk factor that interacts with the total number of fights."


"From the established literature on the brain effects of boxing (much of which has design limitations) come a picture of the clinical features of CTE and the recognition that greater exposure to head trauma is associated with increased risk of long-term neurological disease and that a variety of imaging findings can be seen in fighters."


So what have we learned here from ANY of these studies? 1. CTE is linked to repetitive concussions, the link is not directly understood. 2. Getting hit in the head causes concussions, combat sports participants get hit in the head for a living. 3. Frequency of fights may reduce the time the brain has to recover from prior trauma. - Whats a typical schedule more most UFC fighters? 6 months off at most? Remember how keith jardine went from being "the real deal" to being a complete can after getting KO'd then coming back to fight within or under 6months every fight? lol
4. There's no early biological markers for early detection of CTE. Essentially we don't know until its too late. HOWEVER typical symptoms of being 'punch drunk' are easily noticeable in fighters who have either suffered brutal KO's or have since retired from fighting. Most of these symptoms don't show up until well into a career or following retirement. Hence why it's not as commonly known in MMA because its a young as fuck sport comparatively. However plenty of the old timers are obviously suffering from CTE. Gary Goodridge for example, also people like Jordan Parsons and TJ Grant who had his career ended due to lingering concussion symptoms come to mind.

The only logical inference a sane and reasonable human being could make given the evidence which you so politely provided is that brain trauma leads to CTE, MMA causes brain trauma like any contact sport, so then it's reasonable to assume MMA fighters will develop CTE as well. In fact theres a fucking ton of fighters already showing signs of it or being diagnosed with the shit, what is there to argue? How can anyone assume that the exact same stimuli (sometimes horrifyingly worse in MMA) will result in a different outcome just because it's a different sport? Get off your high horse pencil neck your logic doesn't follow
 
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