International Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's Ambitious Quest to Modernize Saudi Arabia

[Rod1]

Yea and? Most of it's shit sucked too.. Most things congress puts out are half assed compromises.

Ergo the USA is a half-assed country, since everything in the USA has to go through Congress.

Including the US Constitution.

 

[Rod1]

And yet you are still not addressing the meat of anything i have said.

Actually i did.

Congress is supposed to be inefficient when there is political divide, thats the whole point of it, to prevent the rise of tyrants by laying down the largest powers in a country to an institution that has the most political representation.

 

[Arkain2K]

He resigned while he was in Saudi. People (Lebanese forums) are saying he took marching orders from Saudi. The Harriris have been Saudi shills for a long time, from Rafik Harriris time atleast.

Hmm, on the other hand the Lebanese politicians seems to think their resigned PM is being imprisoned in Saudi Arabia and forced to read that resignation speech at gun point and posed for happy photos with King Salman at the palace against his will

I wonder if they actually believe that, or just want him back so they can spank him themselves.

 

[Kframe]

Ergo the USA is a half-assed country, since everything in the USA has to go through Congress.

Including the US Constitution.

Constitution was drafted before congress. Nice try

 

[Kframe]

Actually i did.

Congress is supposed to be inefficient when there is political divide, thats the whole point of it, to prevent the rise of tyrants by laying down the largest powers in a country to an institution that has the most political representation.

And most of the things that get passed it are half assed comprimises.. I just pointed out examples. Why is this a good thing? Why is half assed programs good?

 

[MicroBrew]

Hmm, on the other hand the Lebanese politicians seems to think their resigned PM is being imprisoned in Saudi Arabia and forced to read that resignation speech at gun point and posed for happy photos with King Salman at the palace against his will

I wonder if they actually believe that, or just want him back so they can spank him themselves.

Yeah just read the bit about him allegedly being 'held' in Saudi. Muhammed Bin Salman is going after some rich Saudis and companies, including Saudi Oger and the Bin Laden group. Saudi Oger ceased operations with massive debts but its founder the Harriris are still super rich.

 

[Rod1]

Constitution was drafted before congress. Nice try

Still was ratified by the national US Congress of the time, not a benevolent dictator.

 

[Rod1]

And most of the things that get passed it are half assed comprimises.. I just pointed out examples. Why is this a good thing? Why is half assed programs good?

Because otherwise the US wouldnt exist, in all its time of existence only the issue of slavery was enough to break apart the nation.

Would you rather have all republicans and all democratic state secede and turn the country into a collection of bickering republics fighting for scrap with little to none ambitions or goals?

 

[Kframe]

Because otherwise the US wouldnt exist, in all its time of existence only the issue of slavery was enough to break apart the nation.

Would you rather have all republicans and all democratic state secede and turn the country into a collection of bickering republics fighting for scrap with little to none ambitions or goals?

Part of me would answer yes to this. Though the Republican states would cream the hell out of the Dem states.. People like you, who love the status quo, who love grid lock and bullshit are why things wont ever change. Congress is more concerned with their own little fiefdoms, their own personal power, and reelection, to ever get anything of real substance done.. I hate them. I hate ever one of them..

 

[Rod1]

Part of me would answer yes to this. Though the Republican states would cream the hell out of the Dem states.. People like you, who love the status quo, who love grid lock and bullshit are why things wont ever change. Congress is more concerned with their own little fiefdoms, their own personal power, and reelection, to ever get anything of real substance done.. I hate them. I hate ever one of them..

Democratic nations are the strongest out there, maybe things will change when China fully develops, if it manages to stay as a totalitarian state.

 

[Kframe]

Democratic nations are the strongest out there, maybe things will change when China fully develops, if it manages to stay as a totalitarian state.

Yea you missed the mark. I was talking about states ran by Republicans, states by Democrats.. IE Independent states, like you brought up in your ridiculous example. I said nothing of tyranny.. Also, Dafuq is up with the bird?

 

[Rod1]

Yea you missed the mark. I was talking about states ran by Republicans, states by Democrats.. IE Independent states, like you brought up in your ridiculous example. I said nothing of tyranny.. Also, Dafuq is up with the bird?

These states will still have local congresses.

 

[Kframe]

These states will still have local congresses.

So? Maybe some wont. You are not god, you cant predict that. A major event like that happening, something that would fracture the states completely and you think you can make that prediction?

You still wont answer why you think having a grid locked congress, that puts out half assed measures like the failure that is Obamacare, is a good thing?

 

[Rod1]

So? Maybe some wont. You are not god, you cant predict that. A major event like that happening, something that would fracture the states completely and you think you can make that prediction?

You still wont answer why you think having a grid locked congress, that puts out half assed measures like the failure that is Obamacare, is a good thing?

Because a divided country is better off gridlocked than one side stomping on the other.

You honestly think it would be better if Democrats or Republicans were jailing off their political enemies? if the Bill of Rights was completely scrapped and the way to solve political debates would be through state media and propaganda?

 

[Arkain2K]

Who are the Saudi royals and businessmen caught up in Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's crackdown?

 

[cincymma79]

Hope they go to war and we sit it out completely

 

[Arkain2K]

Hope they go to war and we sit it out completely

We don't need to be directly involved to make a few more billion dollars in arms sales to our valuable arab allies...

 

[Skulli]

You say that as thought the Saudis and the Iranians don't have historical grievances against each other going back hundreds of years.

You say that as if US does not regularly use divisions like that to stir the pot to justify bombing the fuck out of someone.

They are both too weak/too even.y matched to get into a war, unless one is backed by a powerful warmonger.

 

[Cajun]

The cynic in me questions whether this really has anything to do with reform, compared to Salman securing his own power.

Me too. I have hope its legit tho. Will see

 

[Ruprecht]

Me too. I have hope its legit tho. Will see

Yeah, he looks like the young reformer and he's made the right noises about a moderate Islam, but then he's blamed Wahhabism's resurgence on Iran and arrested a lot of those who call for reform (who also call for a constitutional monarchy or in other ways question the government). He's also responsible for the resurgence of Saudi proxy wars.
So I'll believe it when I see it.