Crown demands that judge look at child porn for purposes of sentencing offender

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A man pleads guilty to possession of child pornography. As part of the guilty plea, the judge was presented with a detailed written description of what each of the images contained.

Following the guilty plea, the next step is sentencing, for which the judge has significant discretion.

The crown (prosecution) demanded that the judge needed to look at the images in question in order to understand the gravity of the apparent depravity in the images. The accused, perhaps unsurprisingly, took the position that the judge didn't actually need to look at the actual images to fulfill his sentencing obligations.

The judge ultimately sided with the defence, noting that over his career, he'd already looked at way too much child pornography in his capacity as a lawyer and judge in his life, and that he didn't need to look at any more. This is an actual quote:

"10] In our case, in terms of the probative value analysis, first, there is no dispute about the facts underlying the offence; a typed Agreed Statement of Facts has already been marked Exhibit 1. Second, there is no dispute about what is depicted in the representative sampling of the child pornography material – a typed document containing descriptions of more than thirty images and videos has already been marked a sealed Exhibit on the sentencing. Third, the said document is very detailed; each and every item is described most thoroughly. Fourth and finally, this Court, like the judge in P.M., supra, has extensive experience with child pornography both (i) as a lawyer [(a) trial counsel for a Children’s Aid Society, with several cases involving child pornography, (b) certified specialist in criminal law, with numerous cases as defence counsel involving child pornography, and (c) agent for the Federal Department of Justice, as it was then called, and part-time prosecutor with the Ministry of the Attorney General in Grey, Bruce, and Huron Counties, with several cases involving child pornography] and then (ii) as a judge for thirteen years, having presided over many, many cases of child pornography. Regrettably, this previous experience has had me view numerous images and videos of child pornography, and I am confident that I have an appreciation for its truly shocking and grotesque nature."



What say you? Should judges in these cases be required to actually look at the images for the purposes of sentencing offenders?
 
Can't they hire another convict sex offender to view the child pr0n?

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A written description should be enough. But there also should not be judges "discretion" on sentencing. Should be minimum sentences and they need to put these freaks away for a long time.
 
In that case the judge becomes another victim, in a sense. I imagine seeing shit like that stays with you forever. I say the least amount of people that need to view it in order to make a good judgement, the better.
 
No one should be compelled to view images of children being raped , if the judge can be then the next ploy might be to insist the jury does too in the hope members of the jury walk out rather than look at that shit .
 
In that case the judge becomes another victim, in a sense. I imagine seeing shit like that stays with you forever. I say the least amount of people that need to view it in order to make a good judgement, the better.
This. Not to make light of the topic, but this is why that scene in true detective where Rust shows Marty the tape of the girl w the cult is so gut wrenching. We see Marty visibly in pain seeing the tape, before ultimately agreeing to help in the investigation.

He then tells Rust "You shouldn't have this" to which Rust replies "Nobody should have this."
 
Maybe the prosecutor wanted the judge to see it to light a fire under his ass and give the defendant a harsher sentence.
 
Don't see why the judge should have to look at it if they've read a clear description, it's been verified and the defendant plead guilty.
 
Don't see why the judge should have to look at it if they've read a clear description, it's been verified and the defendant plead guilty.
Until the Judge looks at the evidence,

It’s hearsay…
 
Until the Judge looks at the evidence,

It’s hearsay…

They've plead guilty to what they were accused of though. They're admitting the images are as bad as the prosecution are saying they are.
 
What's crazy to me is this Judge has unwillingly seen so much child abuse imagery over his career that he had to opt out this time. This world is heinous.
 
They've plead guilty to what they were accused of though. They're admitting the images are as bad as the prosecution are saying they are.
I know, I know…I agree,

I just found myself sitting here at work at 9am with a cup of coffee on an mma forum trying to figure out ways to force a Judge to look at child porn..

Lord Forgive Me,
Sorry Bro!!! My Bad..
 
Child pornography offences in the UK are now so routine that 99% of those sentenced face no prison time.

If judges being made to view that fucking filth changes that...I'm all for it. It's the usual story, the police do the dirty damaging work and the judiciary judge from up on their pedestal
 
Child pornography offences in the UK are now so routine that 99% of those sentenced face no prison time.

If judges being made to view that fucking filth changes that...I'm all for it. It's the usual story, the police do the dirty damaging work and the judiciary judge from up on their pedestal

How much do you think is down to the judge Vs the government/sentencing council?

Not trying to ask as any kind of gotcha. I'm genuinely interested how much leeway you would say a judge has when handing down a sentence.
 
Is the prosecution mad that he didn’t give him a harsh enough punishment? Otherwise what’s the point here?
 
Not seeing the issue here amigo. Don’t think he needs to see them to accurately sentence.
 
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