Criteria for GOAT

[GOATtalks]

It is crazy to me when people talk about Jones' strength of schedule or resume as something amazing, when the reality is for the most part he fought blown up MW's.

He also defeated DC which is a better win, than any of GSPs or Anderson’s wins. Also Gus, Rampage, Glover, Bader, OSP, Bonnar are legit LHW and Jones dealt with them as he does with everyone else

 

[GOATtalks]

Are you sure about that? I barely remember a smaller man than him fighting at 135 lbs.
At 125, Tim Elliot completely dwarfed him. So did Wada in ONE.
Deiveson Figueiredo cuts more weight to make 125 that DJ probably would need to make 115

If DJ is fighting at Flyweight in ONE is because that's their signature division. It doesnt any sense for them having Johnson fighting in a shallow straweight division

DJ is short, but he ain’t small. That’s why he can outwrestle guys. He weighs 142 pounds on fight night at 125. So he probably walks around 150+ pounds. Cutting to 115 seems impossible

 

[thorcorm]

He also defeated DC which is a better win, than any of GSPs or Anderson’s wins. Also Gus, Rampage, Glover, Bader, OSP, Bonnar are legit LHW and Jones dealt with them as he does with everyone else

We saw DC go on to do great things after that fight. All in the USADA era.

We saw Jon look terrible in USADA aside from the fight he fought DC where he was pumped full of PED's.

I'm honestly not sure he beats DC without the gear. I mean, in many peoples eyes he lost to Thiago and Dominic. I happen to agree. And they aren't close to DC as a fighter.

 

[bufetadanacara]

Let’s also add GOAT of pharmaceutical enhancements to your list and we can really move Jon Jones and Silva ahead of the others.

I'll give Anderson the benefit of the doubt here.

He didn't test positive until after he had broken his leg. His reign was over and it could have been a desperate measure to help with healing.

As far as Jones is concerned, I see no reason not to believe his entire reign is tainted. He tested positive twice, in his prime. That should exclude him from any GOAT conversations.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Number of title defenses, level of competition and level of dominance/ performance are a must to be a goat. Also if you piss hot while you are champ it throws everything through the window. Imo Fedor and GSP are the goats. Jones and Anderson would be there but they cheated.

Moving up in weight to get gold is a different form of greatness.

 

[BForrester]

Titles, lots of title defenses, long run of dominance, no suspensions for PEDs is a plus...I mean, it should be pretty obvious.

 

[mjfan23]

If you add more people to it it changes the outcome. The idea is to put the record holders in each criteria and than see how they stack up together. My top10 looks like this:

1. Jones
2. GSP
3. DJ
4. Anderson
5. Khabib
6. Stipe
7. DC
8. Fedor
9. Conor
10. Cejudo

Great list man!! Love how you have a guy with a mere 20 career wins(all over past their prime geriatrics) at 5 and Connor at 9 (he should be number 1)

 

[Chappi]

Forgot the only thing that has to happen to decide who the GOAT is.
Time has to be at it's end, otherwise we don't know all of time and cannot decide who the greatest of ALL time is.
No one will ever be able to decide who the GOAT is, because when time ends there will be no one left to make that decision.
Dumbass GOAT discussion to keep total idiots busy with meaningless discussions.

 

[pankrat]

Forgot the only thing that has to happen to decide who the GOAT is.
Time has to be at it's end, otherwise we don't know all of time and cannot decide who the greatest of ALL time is.
No one will ever be able to decide who the GOAT is, because when time ends there will be no one left to make that decision.
Dumbass GOAT discussion to keep total idiots busy with meaningless discussions.

Do you really think you've just delivered a brillian input?
I'd actually say is the most stupid post in this useless thread, which is saying something

 

[GOATtalks]

Great list man!! Love how you have a guy with a mere 20 career wins(all over past their prime geriatrics) at 5 and Connor at 9 (he should be number 1)

Did you even understand what you wrote? I have Khabib at #5. He has 28 wins. I actually don’t understand what you meant by that.
And Conor has a good case to be ranked in top10. He’s a 2 weight class champion (3-1 in UFC title fights) with KO wins in 3 different weight classes. Has very good names no his resume:
Aldo
Alvarez
Poirier
Max
Mendes
Diaz
Cerrone
He has good overall and UFC records. Very high finishing rate. Held the title in 2 weight classes in minor leagues as well. He’s definitely top5 all time greatest striker in UFC

 

[GOATtalks]

Number of title defenses, level of competition and level of dominance/ performance are a must to be a goat. Also if you piss hot while you are champ it throws everything through the window. Imo Fedor and GSP are the goats. Jones and Anderson would be there but they cheated.

Moving up in weight to get gold is a different form of greatness.

Jones and Anderson were also clean when Fedor and GSP fought. They didn’t compete under USADA so we don’t know for sure if they were actually clean

 

[Summoning]

Is another.. "Jones is not a fraud" thread.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Jones and Anderson were also clean when Fedor and GSP fought. They didn’t compete under USADA so we don’t know for sure if they were actually clean

We can’t say they roided, though...I need proofs to claim that someone in guilty. Anderson and Jones will deny it forever but they got caught and that puts a big question mark next to their performances. Specially Jones who is young and has looked pretty unimpressive lately.

 

[GOATtalks]

We can’t say that Gsp and Fedor roided, though. They never got caught. Anderson and Jones will deny it forever but they got caught and that puts a big question mark next to their performances. Specially Jones who has looked pretty unimpressive lately.

I agree about the question mark and I can’t argue if someone puts GSP in front of Jones because of that. But to completely deny them from the GOAT list isn’t objective. Many fighters have taken steroids, but most of them never were champions. Jones and Anderson are still special talent

 

[C0NCH3TO]

I agree about the question mark and I can’t argue if someone puts GSP in front of Jones because of that. But to completely deny them from the GOAT list isn’t objective. Many fighters have taken steroids, but most of them never were champions. Jones and Anderson are still special talent

They are unbelievable fighters roids or not. I was a huge Anderson fan....Jones is so good that even without roids and even after all these years he still dominates.

 

[humdizzle]

jones probably at the top for me

10+ years undefeated and has fought arguably the toughest competition.

Then GSP and Fedor. Both had long reigns, but also some questionable losses to scrubs like matt serra.

Khabib below them. he can still pass them up but he needs to face tougher competition. If he beats GSP I could make a case for him eclipsing jones.

 

[balkanbomber85]

jones probably at the top for me

10+ years undefeated and has fought arguably the toughest competition.

Then GSP and Fedor. Both had long reigns, but also some questionable losses to scrubs like matt serra.

Khabib below them. he can still pass them up but he needs to face tougher competition. If he beats GSP I could make a case for him eclipsing jones.

LOL at Kabeb surpassing Jones with having 4 title defenses and beating a 41 year old guy who has foungt once in 7 years...