Social Crazy Christians: Pastors Defy COVID Restrictions [UPDATE: (Cis, White) Gays Behaving Badly]

[MVelsor]

Shit. After going through this thread I was mixing up threads and posts. I see nothing that should have made me go at @MVelsor the way I did.

Seriously, I apologize

Yeah, we already had the "Christians & Gays" thread with the White House Pastor comments a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't really trying to go there again, that started back up with this deflection a few pages in. The "narrative" kind of presented itself and it's obviously not all Christians doing this (mostly hardcore evangelicals).

 

[Deleted member 539235]

These threads always end up the same way. Christian bashing. Do I really need to quote posts? I will if you want. How many SHITHOLE comments alone can I find? Or Christians this....or Christianity this.

Come on dude. This is a pretty fucked up thread and you know it.

 

[MVelsor]

Time to Reaffirm America's Christian nation covenant.

Why Did The Secular Ambitions of the United States Fail?

In the beginning was the thing, and the thing was against God. So might begin the gospel of American secularism. The sudden flourish of secularism at the time of the United States’ foundation is incongruous, a rogue wave of rationality in a centuries-long sea of Protestant evangelising, sectarianism and God-talk.

But it is undeniable. In 1788, with the adoption of its Constitution, the United States became the first modern republic founded on a legal separation of church and state. In a country that holds sacred the intentions of its revolutionary-era founders, those founders’ secular ambitions are clear.

Thomas Jefferson wrote a book, "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", to try to prove that Jesus was not Christ, that the man was not the son of God. Around the world, his pithy expression ‘a wall of separation between church and state’ continues to represent a particular secular ideal of separating religious and political power.

James Madison, the primary author of the US Constitution, was an even more rigorous and consistent, if less poetic, secularist. On grounds of what he called ‘pure religious freedom’, Madison opposed military and congressional chaplains, believing that they amounted to government sponsorship of religion. Every step short of this ‘pure religious freedom’, he wrote, would ‘leave crevices at least thro’ which bigotry may introduce persecution; a monster… feeding & thriving on its own venom’.

So, in brief, what went wrong? How did the country founded by visionary secularists, and that made historic advances in both religious freedom and the separation of religious and political powers, nonetheless become the world’s most religious political democracy?

@dissectingaorticaneurysm

 

[MVelsor]

Both Jefferson and Madison were deeply opposed to a state church, or to any state recognition of religion. They also knew that their views against religion were unpopular and had no chance of prevailing on principle. Instead, Madison set out to terrify Virginia’s Presbyterians, Baptists and other rival sects into fearing that the state church would be an oppressive Anglican one.

To this end, he wrote a broadside: the Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments (1785). The Memorial succeeded, since most Virginia Christians wanted their own church to be the state church, and if not theirs then nobody else’s.

"The mutual hatred of these sects has been much inflamed," Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1785, "and I am far from being sorry for it." Virginia’s disestablishment, or separation of church and state, came to be the model for national separation. But it was made possible only by a combination of parliamentary legerdemain and elite manipulation of sectarian hatred.


<{monica}>

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Both Jefferson and Madison were deeply opposed to a state church, or to any state recognition of religion. They also knew that their views against religion were unpopular and had no chance of prevailing on principle. Instead, Madison set out to terrify Virginia’s Presbyterians, Baptists and other rival sects into fearing that the state church would be an oppressive Anglican one.

To this end, he wrote a broadside: the Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments (1785). The Memorial succeeded, since most Virginia Christians wanted their own church to be the state church, and if not theirs then nobody else’s.

"The mutual hatred of these sects has been much inflamed," Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1785, "and I am far from being sorry for it." Virginia’s disestablishment, or separation of church and state, came to be the model for national separation. But it was made possible only by a combination of parliamentary legerdemain and elite manipulation of sectarian hatred.


<{monica}>

That was a masterclass in political maneuvering from Jefferson and Madison. I didn't realize just how much opposition they faced codifying that most fundamental of American rights into law. Great article.

But make no mistake- over the course of history, fundies have been stomping secularism even while crippled by laws attempting to prevent it. Their influence is not dwindling as quickly as their weakening demographics suggest. It's easier to rally people around a belief than a lack of that belief.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

That's how most threads go, regardless of the group. At least there are enough Christians on this forum to actually provide the Christian perspective. When Muslims are being bashed in countless threads it's pretty much only @Kafir-kun that can speak directly from his religion's perspective. Or when gays are bashed it's just @MVelsor that steps up to give that perspective.

When I defend Christianity nobody gets mad at me. Any small defense I pose on behalf of Muslim people often gets people genuinely upset. One guy demanded that I take a picture of my Muslim friends, wearing some type of Muslim identifying clothing, to prove that I actually know Muslims. Lol. Christians have it pretty easy on here, comparatively.

Still waiting on those pictures of your Muslim friends

Preferably with a suicide bomb vest

 

[MVelsor]

That was a masterclass in political maneuvering from Jefferson and Madison. I didn't realize just how much opposition they faced codifying that most fundamental of American rights into law. Great article.

But make no mistake- over the course of history, fundies have been stomping secularism even while crippled by laws attempting to prevent it. Their influence is not dwindling as quickly as their weakening demographics suggest. It's easier to rally people around a belief than a lack of that belief.

That Madison quote is fucking savage. America admittedly dodged an early death bullet on account of the A-List Framers. He's probably the most prominent deist / secularist among them and almost single handedly wrote the Bill of Rights.

http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...8/3794/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/

If the founders were dogmatic about anything, it was the belief that a person’s faith should not be intruded upon by government and that religious doctrine should not be written into governance. James Madison, for instance, was vigorously opposed to religious intrusions into civil affairs. In 1785, when the Commonwealth of Virginia was considering passage of a bill “establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion,” Madison wrote his “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” in which he presented 15 reasons why government should not become involved in the support of any religion.

Whew.

James Madison Jr. (March 16, 1751 – June 28, 1836) was an American statesman, diplomat, philosopher and Founding Father who served as the fourth President of the United States from 1809 to 1817. He is hailed as the "Father of the Constitution" for his pivotal role in drafting and promoting the Constitution of the United States and the United States Bill of Rights. He co-wrote The Federalist Papers, co-founded the Democratic-Republican Party, and served as the fifth United States Secretary of State from 1801 to 1809 under Thomas Jefferson.

 

[MVelsor]

 

[hypocalking]

Those fucks should keep meeting up for their worship.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Still waiting on those pictures of your Muslim friends

Preferably with a suicide bomb vest

Why would you prefer that?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Why would you prefer that?

Dude , I was obviously joking.

 

[MVelsor]

Shit. After going through this thread I was mixing up threads and posts. I see nothing that should have made me go at @MVelsor the way I did. Seriously, I apologize.

This anti-religious bigotry, for real. Who else, @Kafir-kun?

 

[cabal]

Bolsonaro too has this approach , must be something that all evangelicals have.
Here they almost closed the churches ( for the public functions at least) but many parishes do broadcast the mass and the preaches online via streaming and youtube videos and the parishioners meets each others in collective chat. Nobody wants to take excessive risks.

 

[MVelsor]

Bolsonaro too has this approach , must be something that all evangelicals have.
Here they almost closed the churches ( for the public functions at least) but many parishes do broadcast the mass and the preaches online via streaming and youtube videos and the parishioners meets each others in collective chat. Nobody wants to take excessive risks.

 

[MVelsor]

That was a masterclass in political maneuvering from Jefferson and Madison. I didn't realize just how much opposition they faced codifying that most fundamental of American rights into law. Great article.

Dude, are you still alive?!

@MVelsor is a great guy. He just falls into the trap he criticizes certain groups of doing.

I don't think @MVelsor is judging all Christians though, he's very specific in naming the pastors and groups and what his issue with them is. Besides the homophobia is unfortunately a mainstream belief among modern Christians as it is among other religions.

Shit. After going through this thread I was mixing up threads and posts. I see nothing that should have made me go at @MVelsor the way I did. Seriously, I apologize.

At least there are enough Christians on this forum to actually provide the Christian perspective. When Muslims are being bashed in countless threads it's pretty much only @Kafir-kun that can speak directly from his religion's perspective. Or when gays are bashed it's just @MVelsor that steps up to give that perspective.

Bad Gays.






I warned about this place:

Yeah, Riyadh was named the gay sex capital of the world.

!!!

An actual list of places (to avoid) and it's more like particular districts and neighborhoods than entire cities themselves. Aside from maybe Palm Springs where the entire city council is literally LGB. It's more of sleepy town and retirement spot for the older crowd though.

* Schöneberg (Berlin)
* Le Marais (Paris)
* L'Eixample (Barcelona)
* Ipanema (Rio de Janeiro)
* Hell's Kitchen (New York City)
* Chelsea (New York City)
* Fire Island (Long Island/New York)
* WeHo (Los Angeles)
* Castro (San Francisco)
* Boystown (Chicago)

You know my feeling on Homosexuals. Great group. Maybe the best in terms of productivity. Sorry you have assholes in your family but so does everyone else and its usually not religion making them assholes.

OT: Twink is way too skinny to rock a harness.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Aren't these same churches etc exempt from taxes in a lot of ways? Yet they are worsening a health crisis which is funded by tax payers one way or another. This religious stuff is just crazy through this. I can understand people relaying on their 'faith' etc, and I put that in ' ' because I'm not personally religious, so I don't really understand that line of thinking. With that said, you can worship and pray from home.

Its amazing to me thst you guys are still giving these numbers any kind of credence at all.

When you hear something like "Pastor died from Corona" you'r first thought should be "ok, prove it". You've been in enough threads to know these numbers are unreliable at best and completely made up at worst. You understand the globalist agenda of depopulation and one world government. Knowing all this why would you continue to push this fear narrative and be a stay at home bro?

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Damn, I thought the OCNJ beach was crowded this weekend.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Hey Nodak whats up bruh.?


The increasing Covid cases world wide has me worried I things will get worst in my city by august so I will do another massive supply run next week.

We cant endure another lockdown hopefully the increasing fatalities wont have an even worst effect in the ecconomy.

 

[MVelsor]

 

[salamander]

The Most High is showing Christians that he is not with them in these pagan temples they call churches. He is not with these preachers and pastors. He does not honor these pagan holidays and traditions.

I would advise all believers to immediately remove yourself from these churches and turn away from these things so that you do not partake in its judgement.

How do you hoteps observe the Sabbath then?