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Television COWBOY BEBOP Live-Action Series - 12/9 Update: Canceled by Netflix

I used to watch Cowboy Bebop on the Cartoon Network when Adult Swim first came out I was in my late teens and thought it was awesome. This and Ninja Scroll are is only anime I've ever really watched and It's probablly been 20 years or so since I've seen either of them.

All of that being said was Jet Black supposed to be a Black guy? Or is this Netflix shoehorning in a POC to try and stay woke. I know anime kind of has a style that makes all of the characters look Caucasian, but I always thought of him as an American or Russian or something. He looked like a mix between Zangif from Street Fighter 2 and Wolverine.

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Update: August 23, 2021

First Official Look at Spike Spiegel, Jet Black and Faye Valentine in COWBOY BEBOP; Premieres Nov. 19 on Netflix

Meet Spike Spiegel (John Cho), Jet Black (Mustafa Shakir), and Faye Valentine (Daniella Pineda) in Cowboy Bebop, premiering November 19, only on Netflix.

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lolz, cowboy bebop... but no one's allowed to be white. or look anything like the characters...

let me guess, radical edward is played by kanye west.
 
I wouldn't mind a Samurai Champloo live-action if done right.
 
“Spike Spiegel has to be Asian. Like, you can’t Scarlett Johansson this shit,” the producer said, referencing Scarlett Johansson's casting in Ghost in the Shell as white-washing Asian characters out of Asian media.
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Spike Spiegel
English name, German-Jew surname
HAS to be asian because you can't scarlettjohassn that shit
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Then shitcast Jet and Faye too, just to be sure he's not scarlettjohassoning this shit

These people are beyond hope lol

All of that being said was Jet Black supposed to be a Black guy? Or is this Netflix shoehorning in a POC to try and stay woke.
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Pretty much certain thats a result of the whitewashing backlash to Ghost in the Shell but really in makes even less sense than that given the characters name and look in the anime clearly seem to be western/jewish. Ironic thing is I suspect this will probably piss off Japanese audiences a lot more, they seemed to be fine with Johansson but Cho is basically Hollywood saying "Korean? Japanese? close enough!".
Spike is 100k% NOT Asian , there are many many references to him being white but yet being a Jeet Kun do expert in the series..
 
“Spike Spiegel has to be Asian. Like, you can’t Scarlett Johansson this shit,” the producer said, referencing Scarlett Johansson's casting in Ghost in the Shell as white-washing Asian characters out of Asian media.
<{vega}>

Spike Spiegel
English name, German-Jew surname
HAS to be asian because you can't scarlettjohassn that shit
{<jordan}

Then shitcast Jet and Faye too, just to be sure he's not scarlettjohassoning this shit

These people are beyond hope lol


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So the producer admits he has no idea about the show and that Spike is fucking white, and goes ahead and Scarlett johansons this shit anyway by fucking up and casting and Asian as spike..
 
“Spike Spiegel has to be Asian. Like, you can’t Scarlett Johansson this shit,” the producer said, referencing Scarlett Johansson's casting in Ghost in the Shell as white-washing Asian characters out of Asian media.
<{vega}>

Spike Spiegel
English name, German-Jew surname
HAS to be asian because you can't scarlettjohassn that shit
{<jordan}

Then shitcast Jet and Faye too, just to be sure he's not scarlettjohassoning this shit

These people are beyond hope lol

Seems to pretty much confirm what I said, not really based on understanding or caring much about the anime or even diversity, its just cynical PR arse covering.

Again though even if you accept that Spike "had" to be Japanese as some kind of tribute to the original series country or origin they end up casting a Korean american 20 years too old instead, I'm guessing again because Cho is pretty much the only known "Asian" name in Hollywood, in reality doing exactly what he claimed he wasnt doing.

At least with Johansson I think besides being a star casting she did clearly fit the role, the Majors robo body in the 95 film clearly looks western and indeed looks a lot like Johansson and she's played similar kinds of characters previously, ironically there was even a plot in the film playing up that she'd been "whitewashed" by being put in that robo body.

Honestly I think it looks pretty generic as well, modern lighting with low contrast and lots of pinks/blues which is really not what I imagined the anime as, I imagined more of a retro noir hollywood look to it.
 
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All of that being said was Jet Black supposed to be a Black guy?

Well...I guess it would be pretty messed up if I didn't wake from the dead to post in this thread. There's probably less reason to be upset about Jet's casting than any other character. Jet's voice actor in the English dub of the original show is black, so at least there's some measure of consistency there.

The argument over whitewashing Spike was and is dumb for several reasons. Spike never had to be of Asian descent. It wasn't a must. Now...there are plenty of hints as to Spike's background, but to my recollection, the show never explicitly states what race/ethnicity any character is (though plenty of hints for Faye, too). I always looked at it as the anime saying that the movement of humanity to space rendered a lot of the former racial boundaries moot, and the ethnic background of each character therefore did not really define them any longer - all of the characters were wanderers without homes. The most they come right out and say of Spike is that he was born on Mars. That's it.

For instance: let's assume Spike is a white man from a Jewish family. He was born on Mars, worked for a crime syndicate that is seemingly Chinese, and was betrayed by his partner of totally ambiguous ancestry who wields a Japanese sword. It's a mishmash. The old stuff stopped mattering when Earth went kablooey, because all of a sudden everybody was in the same position of either being dead or needing to get the hell out. (By the way, there's an anecdote floating around the internet where, at a convention, somebody asked Bebop's director Shinichiro Watanabe whether Spike was Jewish. Supposedly, Watanabe replied by chuckling and saying "Sure, why not!" The creators of the show weren't obsessed with race, probably didn't give it much more than a few moments thought, and didn't build their entire story around it.)

That said...if the original source material was ambiguous, there was nothing really stopping Netflix from casting an Asian man as Spike, either. But about whitewashing one more time: how about the idea that Japanese people are only capable of or interested in telling stories about Japanese people (or other Asian folks...)? Seems...I dunno...kinda racist? That was Netflix's mistake - and that of every online journalist who had something to say about being happy that Spike wasn't whitewashed - if you ask me.
 
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Cowboy Bebop is the most Anime to ever Anime. If you look up "Anime" in a dictionary, you see a picture of Cowboy Bebob while freeform jazz music mysteriously starts playing from hidden loudspeakers.
Never watched it. Is is worth it?
 
Well...I guess it would be pretty messed up if I didn't wake from the dead to post in this thread. There's probably less reason to be upset about Jet's casting than any other character. Jet's voice actor in the English dub of the original show is black, so at least there's some measure of consistency there.

The argument over whitewashing Spike was and is dumb for several reasons. Spike never had to be of Asian descent. It wasn't a must. Now...there are plenty of hints as to Spike's background, but to my recollection, the show never explicitly states what race/ethnicity any character is (though plenty of hints for Faye, too). I always looked at it as the anime saying that the movement of humanity to space rendered a lot of the former racial boundaries moot, and the ethnic background of each character therefore did not really define them any longer - all of the characters were wanderers without homes. The most they come right out and say of Spike is that he was born on Mars. That's it.

For instance: let's assume Spike is a white man from a Jewish family. He was born on Mars, worked for a crime syndicate that is seemingly Chinese, and was betrayed by his partner of totally ambiguous ancestry who wields a Japanese sword. It's a mishmash. The old stuff stopped mattering when Earth went kablooey, because all of a sudden everybody was in the same position of either being dead or needing to get the hell out. (By the way, there's an anecdote floating around the internet where, at a convention, somebody asked Bebop's director Shiniciro Watanabe whether Spike was Jewish. Supposedly, Watanabe replied by chuckling and saying "Sure, why not!" The creators of the show weren't obsessed with race, probably didn't give it much more than a few moments thought, and didn't build their entire story around it.)

That said...if the original source material was ambiguous, there was nothing really stopping Netflix from casting an Asian man as Spike, either. But about whitewashing one more time: how about the idea that Japanese people are only capable of or interested in telling stories about Japanese people (or other Asian folks...)? Seems...I dunno...kinda racist? That was Netflix's mistake - and that of every online journalist who had something to say about being happy that Spike wasn't whitewashed - if you ask me.

I'm guessing Spike's surname is a reference to prohibition era jewish gangster Bugsy Siegel and again I think the show as a whole is really taking classic mid 20th century western influences and pushing then into an anime sci fi like environment, the same way the Lupin III franchise did minus the future setting.
 
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Never watched it. Is is worth it?

If you like Anime, sure. I'm not the biggest Anime fan, so I checked out after watching a couple of episodes. But I can recognize that it's a stylish production. It kinda waltzes over into spaghetti western/latin comics territory from time to time, which is fun. I guess you could say it is slightly tongue-in-cheek when it comes to the standard Anime tropes.
 
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