Covington vs Usman 2; Covington won, he should be top WW in division

Who do you think won Usman vs Covington 2?

  • Usman

  • Covington

  • Draw

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I thought Usman won, but have no problem rewatching. I’ll give it another look later
 
Goutfather said:
i had covington winning, scored it just as you did, but not a robbery imo. we all know that close fights run the risk of being scored improperly. the real question is whether someone who isn’t an absolute moron could see it differently.

the only problem i have is this 10-8 talk. before this fight, i thought it was well understood that a 10-8 requires a level of sustained, one-sided dominance well beyond what we saw in round 2. now, usman fans (or colby haters—“marks,“ as they’re sometimes called) have come up with this rigid “2 knockdown rule.” this is an idea straight out of boxing, which really has no place in mma. covington kept usman on his toes the entire round until that sequence toward the end, and he still kept bringing the fight to usman. based on the whole round, obviously 10-9 for usman. but 10-8? if that’s a 10-8, then the traditional 10-8 rounds should be scored 10-7, and it needs to be a consistent score. you can’t just start handing out 10-8s because you hate a fighter.
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Colby got outstucked and dropped badly 2 times.
That's enough for a 10-8
 
Masturbin said:
Colby got outstucked and dropped badly 2 times.
That's enough for a 10-8
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How were those "dropped badly"? Colby was just dropped, he stood up instantly, even on his second drop, he pretty much jumped back up again.

The entire round was fairly close, Usman dropped Covington twice, and Covington jumped back up instantly both times, and then he wrestled cause he was rocked. Could be a 10-8, but I'd reckon the vast majority of judges would not score it a 10-8.

Usman also did not end the round close to finishing him. Colby tried to wrestle, Usman sprawled on him, and starting illegally hitting the back of his head, referee told him to stop, so Usman threw some rib shots.

Watch how fast Colby got back up, if you score it a 10-8, you are pretty much following the 2 knockdown rule, those weren't big knockdowns that almost allowed Usman to finish.
 
Game_Bred_Irish said:
Why is it controversial to think Colby edged Usman in that fight? There's a fair amount of people that think that. I'm not even saying it's not possible that Usman won, or that it's a robbery, I think Colby edged it, or it's a draw, and that's trolling?

I don't see how you can argue round 4 or 5 for Usman, Colby definitely won the last two rounds.

Round 1 and 2 were clearly for Usman, so it comes down to round 3. Round 3 ended with Colby rocking Usman and having him hurt, then Colby shoots in for a takedown after rocking him, takes him down, Usman gets up and Colby puts him on the cage.

Round 3 didn't really have much other big moments than that. Sure Usman jabbed colby a bunch in round 3, but I had Covington off the damage, and the big moment for rocking Usman to take him down.

If you have 3, 4, 5 for Covington, it all comes down to whether or not round 2 is a 10-8 for a draw.
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Zzzzzz...
 
Usman won the "fight" in totality, but when it came to round by round scoring, I was afraid that the decision wasn't going to go his way until it was read. Totally fair to have Colby winning, but not think he's better.
 
Masturbin said:
Colby got outstucked and dropped badly 2 times.
That's enough for a 10-8
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no. that is not enough. 10-8 typically involves effective aggression in the beginning of the round which causes the other fighter to become tentative or defensive for a long stretch of the round (“survival mode”). it involves more than merely outstriking an opponent. it involves more than getting a couple “knockdowns” near the end of an otherwise competitive round. if the losing fighter is still fighting aggressively for a majority of the round, no way can you score it a 10-8. it’s a clear 10-9 maybe, but that’s it.

a 10-8 score should be exceedingly rare, because it is almost impossible to overcome. you can see this more clearly in a 3-round fight, because if you give one fighter a 10-8, the other fighter has no way to win without either a finish or a 10-8 of his own. so if you’re gonna essentially decide the fight on the basis of 1 round, it needs to be an extremely dominant round. Usman’s performance in round 2 was not that sort of performance. it was a 10-9.
 
Game_Bred_Irish said:
Not a robbery, but I leaned more to Colby winning it. Usman dropping Covington twice just gave him round 2, could be a 10-8, but I didn't think so. Round 3 is close but I thought Colby edged it watching it live with his ending takedown and control sequence. And 4 and 5 is definitely Covington, I don't know how the judges gave the fifth round to Kamaru.

FYI, if the judges gave the 5th round to Colby, fight would have been a draw.

That eye poke by Kamaru could have also won him this fight, given how close this fight was, Kamaru poked Colby right when he was heating up.
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So they award rounds to fighter if he/she gets poked in the eye?
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Usman won the "fight" in totality, but when it came to round by round scoring, I was afraid that the decision wasn't going to go his way until it was read. Totally fair to have Colby winning, but not think he's better.
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I don't know, I think under who wins a "fight" it's usually who finishes strong. You can land 30 strikes on a guy, to 5 strikes the other guy lands on you, but people have to be the one to pull him off of you, he wins that fight.

Usman was strong early, but Covington overcame hardship and put on a dominant performance in the end. I'd say just having it be a fight, I'd be more clearly in favor of Colby.
 
Game_Bred_Irish said:
Usman got rocked in round 3, and then taken down. You think Usman won that with his jabs that barely outlanded Colby in total strikes?
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Covington was out-landed in that round, along with the fifth.
Take the emotions off, you boy lost.
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Game_Bred_Irish said:
I don't know, I think under who wins a "fight" it's usually who finishes strong. You can land 30 strikes on a guy, to 5 strikes the other guy lands on you, but people have to be the one to pull him off of you, he wins that fight.

Usman was strong early, but Covington overcame hardship and put on a dominant performance in the end. I'd say just having it be a fight, I'd be more clearly in favor of Colby.
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Wouldn't using that logic be willfully ignoring the early rounds where the time limit required Usman to be pulled off of Colby?
He had to be saved once or twice before Usman had to.
 
Athlas said:
So they award rounds to fighter if he/she gets poked in the eye?
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No, but you can win a round because of an eye poke. An eye poke could in this case allowed Usman to rest, right when Colby was advancing and being aggressive. It matters especially in a fight this close where 2-3 strikes could have swung a round.
 
I've seen enough of TS's threads now to add him to my ignore list. Contrarian and troll
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Wouldn't using that logic be willfully ignoring the early rounds where the time limit required Usman to be pulled off of Colby?
He had to be saved once or twice before Usman had to.
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Depends if you think Colby was going to be finished in the second, I don't think he was. Colby got up really fast from those knockdowns, and he was wrestling when the round ended. I am doubtful Kamaru stops Colby even if that went on for another 5 minutes.
 
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