Countering the sprawl?

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  1. MrHandsome

    MrHandsome White Belt

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    What's a good way to counter the sprawl, assuming your arms are still behind his legs. Would it be a good idea to try and circle around and drive in? Also, what are some good ways I can improve my double leg?
     
  2. RetardControl

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    Shoot with a high C (upper cut between his legs) that way, when he sprawls you can sit through and take his back.

    You can improve your double leg through hard work.
     
  3. green_machine

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    I'm not a great wrestler by any means, but I've been trying to work from this position lately. If my arms are still behind his legs, I will keep trying to drive for that double or switch to a single. Sometimes I'm serious about the takedown, other times it's to get him to sprawl back further. When he does sprawl back further, I am immediately switching to the sit-out on the side that he has underhooked and working on taking the back or side, depending on how good I am able to pull it off and his reaction.
     
  4. Azy

    Azy Yellow Belt

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    Keep driving forward until you can get the ankle pick or a trip. If they are very good at sprawling then your arms will be nowhere near his legs anyway so you have to try something different then just keeping on going for the same thing. Take the balance from them. Won't work if you are talking wrestling but MMA sure.
     
  5. Tony Manifold

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    You have to keep your hips under your shoulders. the farther away from that you get the harder it is to recover from the sprawl. Options you cuold explore is someone sprawls on you including, switching to the single and trying to turn the corner to get behind him, coming up to a body lock and work that game, Pulling guard or just keep driving with you head up and try to get your hips under you head. A lot of people defeat sprawls through pure drive.
     
  6. ViceGrip

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    Keep driving thru and cut the corner.
     
  7. EndoG

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    Hmm, bit random, but I just found this while reading about waki gatame:

    JudoForum.com > What does BJJ call Wakigatame?
    very bottom of the page:
    So, essentially perform the wrestler's sit-out, but instead of taking the back try to control the arm the underhooking arm. Come down on their shoulder and work for a reverse arm lock. Never tried it (obviously, just now heard of it), but it sounds like an interesting approach.

    Off hand I don't see you getting directly into a normal waki gatame position, but if you can control the guy and get his arm from under him a bit (maybe coming down into a scarf-hold like position, with opponent belly-down) you could work some sort of arm-lock or hunt for another sub. ... Thoughts?
     
  8. TheMadOne

    TheMadOne Blue Belt

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    My mistake is keeping my head down and driving. Then I get caught in the guillotine.
     
  9. SuperSuperRambo

    SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    That's what not to do. Even in wrestling, where you don't have to worry about the guillotine, if you keep your head down and drive forward, it's like pushing a car. You'll tire yourself out and get nowhere.

    To deal with a sprawl, there are a lot of things you can do, none of which you can learn very well by reading a forum, so maybe take some of the suggestions and practice them, and ask your instructor about them.

    First of all, you need an angle to finish the takedown. You can post a leg on the outside, the same side you want your head to be on (not sticking out, so as to avoid the guillotine), cut the corner and finish the double as if you re-shot on him from your knees, continuing to finish in a circular motion while driving across his body (on the side, as opposed to straight into him). You could also pick a leg and switch off to a single. For that, you would want to circle outside towards the leg you take, tripod, and then try to come up with it, and get your head up. If the guy is keeping your head down, he's stopping your takedown no matter what. Don't come around too far towards him on the single, or he will overhook your arm and either stop your takedown completely, or try for a head/arm submission. Another option would be a sit-out, depending on where his arms are. I find this best when you can control one of his arms, and then sit out to that side.

    Hope you find this useful.

    **edit....To improve your double leg, drill and practice. You can never do this enough. Elite level wrestlers will still drill this move hundreds of times. It takes a lot of practice to get it good. Also try setting it up with some hand fighting and so forth. A lot of non-wrestlers tend to neglect this it seems.
     
  10. Wrestleben

    Wrestleben Brown Belt

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    Pull his elbow in tight and do a short firemans carry/dump.
     
  11. Bartatua

    Bartatua Purple Belt

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    Sit out?
     
  12. No Quarter

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    When I lose the double, I most always will switch to the single and keep driving. You need to get your shoulder in their side and keep driving to the side.
     
  13. DC-Chubbs

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    duckunder/hip heist works good in this situation
     
  14. Tony Manifold

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    It is a generic term for a wrestling move that involves sitting out from a hands and knees position. Here is a video of a sit out from back control.

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  15. WrestlingNerd

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    1. Switch to a single (not always necessary)
    2. Get your head to the outside
    3. Step up with your left knee (assuming you're leading with your right)
    4. Slide your left knee and body out from under him while switching to a double (cutting the corner)
    5. Arch your back and finish.
     
  16. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    The jujitsu guy's way:

    1. turtle up
    2. when you can, grab a leg
    3. before he can sprawl back his leg, pull half guard

    You are now in deep half guard, ready to sweep. You can also go directly to old school if he leaves his other leg close enough.
     

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