Countering Kick Catching

[Paradigm]

I use TKD style kicks whenever I think there is a possibility of a catch. Pivoting MT kicks to the legs, TKD snap to the body, MT Pivoting kicks on top of the arms and hybrid kicks to the head.

Pivoting MT kicks to the body are the easiest to catch and at least for free style, the risk outweighs the reward in my opinion.

TKD kicks can be snapped back so fast people can't catch them most of the time.

Good points there...better to have diversity in your strikes. Also, nice to see you're alive.

 

[SummerStriker]

Good points there...better to have diversity in your strikes. Also, nice to see you're alive.

Thanks bud. Went through a thing. Trying to figure out how and what I'm going to train. I'm afraid my knee surgery has made me a Krav Maga guy.

 

[Paradigm]

Thanks bud. Went through a thing. Trying to figure out how and what I'm going to train. I'm afraid my knee surgery has made me a Krav Maga guy.

Oh, man...I had a minor knee thing recently and it wasn't even from training. Planning on going back to training in a month or so and kind of wondering how it will hold up. What did you tear?

 

[SummerStriker]

Oh, man...I had a minor knee thing recently and it wasn't even from training. Planning on going back to training in a month or so and kind of wondering how it will hold up. What did you tear?

I was rolling with a guy and tore my right meniscus. They removed half of it, so I still have half.

This purple belt I used to roll with had a set of moves. He would use a pass I couldn't keep up with and put me in an MMA side mount for striking (he's a fighter) and then apply a submission. I'd escape mount / side 10 times, gas out, and get subbed.

So I practiced a counter for his shtick and ran into a month later at an open mat. I used the escape from side to half guard, which he passed immediately, but it forced him into scarf hold which was outside of his shtick. He was smaller than me and it wasn't good for him. So I upa and roll him over. During the bridge my knee pops, but I wasn't about to let this guy get away, so I roll him over and get to do the whole top game dance. You could say I peaked for a gym roll, and my knee popped doing a basic upa with nothing weird. That fact is really jarring for me.

I'm able to do most things now and I think I'm still getting better, but I still can't jog outside, can't deadlift, can't squat anything more than my 100lb kettle bell, can barely practice shooting. I really worried about eating hard kicks in it, can't escape bottom by bridging.

I can use the elliptical, can jumping jack, can kettle bell squat, can elbow-knee escape from bottom... so I'm hoping I keep getting better. It's been a like six months. It's not like I was training for competition but the thing that kept me in this was the ability to walk into random gyms and spar / roll strangers (indulging my counter-phobia) because my ability put me on a higher level than the kinds of people that would injure me. Now, I feel so weak it is dangerous for me to take on randoms.

I wish I could find a martial art school with an instructor that had an open mat and would just let me hit the bag and roll with people or put on gloves when I feel like it, but I'm from a small town and it's not the sort of place where that goes on. The closest gym I know with game fighters that run open mat is like an hour away.

I can't handle this group exercise class stuff. I don't want to be that old guy that paces the mat when everyone else is doing a takedown.

 

[aries]

Here's a visual.

Funny how most of the things we discuss can easily be traced back to things Saenchai will do. Most of life's questions can be answered with Saenchai's violence.

Funnily enough it was after studying Saenchai that I adopted this technique. The guy is a box of tricks.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Funnily enough it was after studying Saenchai that I adopted this technique. The guy is a box of tricks.

That is a favourite of mine too, I learned it from a Bas Rutten video ages ago, that guy had a good teep. He'd hit them high in the chest to off balance them. Same as Saenchai does there

 

[aries]

Now the trick to feinting is that you also have to land a significant kick every once and a while to keep him reacting.

This point is key and probably why the Brazilian kick isn't working for the ts. If the opponent doesn't fully buy the initial movement of the Brazilian then he can easily block the kick when it comes. You have to get him biting on your teeps/mid roundhouses first to reliably get the Brazilian kick to land unimpeded.

 

[Bataz]

During thai fights my kicks were always aimed around the bicep area of the arm when my oppo had his hands up. This way, in Thai it still scored, it fcuked his arm up, and made it more difficult to catch with been higher than a regular body kick.

 

[Vergilius]

When I'm up against a guy who catches my kicks I go low for a while and use my fists. Low kicks are harder to catch and once they come to expect the low kick, punch combo, you may have a chance to go high again later.

 

[sourdiesel209]

Jam your knee down his waist hard, its gotta be explosive, then if he still hasnt let go you can clinch or push him off with a sidekick.

 

[HighestHand]

During thai fights my kicks were always aimed around the bicep area of the arm when my oppo had his hands up. This way, in Thai it still scored, it fcuked his arm up, and made it more difficult to catch with been higher than a regular body kick.

When I'm up against a guy who catches my kicks I go low for a while and use my fists. Low kicks are harder to catch and once they come to expect the low kick, punch combo, you may have a chance to go high again later.

Good advice!

Jam your knee down his waist hard, its gotta be explosive, then if he still hasnt let go you can clinch or push him off with a sidekick.

But it's high speed/intensity, but light in power sparring though so I don't really want to hurt my partner.

Edit: Wait do you mean after the kick, I maneuver in a way to block his hips with my knee and shin? or are you referring to penetration of the kick?

 

[AndyMaBobs]

This point is key and probably why the Brazilian kick isn't working for the ts. If the opponent doesn't fully buy the initial movement of the Brazilian then he can easily block the kick when it comes. You have to get him biting on your teeps/mid roundhouses first to reliably get the Brazilian kick to land unimpeded.

I've noticed that poorly executed Brazilian kicks don't look any different from regular kicks. The amount of times I've heard a commentator go "faked low, went high" and the fighter didn't even remotely look like they've done that, is frustrating.

I agree with you for sure, you have to throw those mid level kicks a lot and at the very least make them annoying, even if they're not super powerful. I'd also say that making that initial chamber real strong looking. When I fake the teep, I more or less thrust into it like you would the regular one, before going into head kick (which funnily enough is the bit I'm not as good at)