Could Oliveira beat Makhachev in a no time limit fight?

[Dana's Moonface]

No, now you are just being silly and intepreting things your own way and getting unneccesary heated.

If you end up inside a triangle submission attempt (even a fully locked one), there are still many things to do to escape. It’s not like game over there. Good grapplers defend triangles very well, not sure how it would have gone here.

You might be right, he might have gotten his guard passed, if the set up would not have worked. Like I said earlier, it is a shame we will never find out.

It is not a shame
The fight went how it did under the rules of an mma championship fight

Islam was simply better that night. I expect he will better in the rematch as well. But Charles has his chance to see if he can get it back. But nothing in that fight was a fluke or a shame

If Charles really wasn't prepared? That's on him. If he loses this time, especially by finish there can be NO excuses.

If he smashes Islam? I won't have an excuse. You just have to admit when a fighter is better whether you like it or not and that night Islam was CLEARLY better

 

[Lee_]

This is really hilarious. People are WAY underestimating Charles because of one fight, and with a skewed view of that fight. I can't wait for the rematch.

Charles has finished the top 4 contenders at LW aside from him and Islam. Think about that.

 

[Conan the K-9]

I used your own words and you’re walking it back. This here is a reasonable take, the original was delusional. Had you originally said “Maybe with more time Oliveira gets a triangle, who knows” that would have been perfectly reasonable. But you said on his way to getting finished and saved by the bell, which is a far more definitive statement. And then after making a dumb statement and then walking it back, telling others it must suck to not understand 30% of the sport is just hilarious irony.

Sorry bud, I never said anything about getting finished, I said on his way of getting triangled. Not even triangle choked, not finished by triangle.

I don’t know if you just got unneccesary provoked about that or what happened, or you just don’t understand how submissions work and how they are defended or what’s going on with you. Relax and enjoy the weekend.

 

[DapperDave]

Volk damn sure could.

No way I'm the first to make that comment in this thread.

 

[Conan the K-9]

It is not a shame
The fight went how it did under the rules of an mma championship fight

Islam was simply better that night. I expect he will better in the rematch as well. But Charles has his chance to see if he can get it back. But nothing in that fight was a fluke or a shame

TS asked what would happen in a no time limit fight? I answered that, it is a shame, we will never find out what would or could have happened.
I don’t know, why you are quoting me if you are talking about something completely else.

But I do agree with a lot (not everything) what you said.

 

[Vagabound]

I guess it still needs to be pointed out but he never competed at the highest levels of BJJ.

Fair point. I guess a no time-limit Burns vs Khamzat bout would be a better question, since Burns has legit credentials

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Im a big Charles fans, but you guys are really overlooking his first fight with Islam, Islam did everything better then Charles that fight, and on top of that y’all keep saying yeah but Charles Jiu Jitsu made Islam stand up on will, that’s true but remember what happened Charles got clipped and Islam chocked him out, it’s going to be the same result as last time and y’all don’t want to admit it

 

[Vagabound]

Volk damn sure could.

Eventually gets choked out imo. Don't see him escaping that triangle he was in

 

[sdpdude9]

Sorry bud, I never said anything about getting finished, I said on his way of getting triangled. Not even triangle choked, not finished by triangle.

I don’t know if you just got unneccesary provoked about that or what happened, or you just don’t understand how submissions work and how they are defended or what’s going on with you. Relax and enjoy the weekend.

Lol, I’m making fun of you making an unreasonable statement, then walking it back, then still trying to pretend to be more knowledgeable and superior. And now lame attempts to instead steer the conversation towards about me personally and away the actual discussion.

Look, I’m glad you walked it back and amended your statement when confronted. But pretending to still be more knowledgeable and framing me as emotional after doing so is just sad attempts to save face.

 

[xhaydenx]

Insanely stupid thread considering the first fight ended in a finish?? It's not like it was a controversial decision that Charles dominated in the last round like wtf are you even saying??

This hahaha.

I'm sitting here trying to understand OP's logic and it's just not working at all lol.

Gets finished within the time limit, "but what if he had more time?"

Haha fucking wot.

 

[Conan the K-9]

Lol, I’m making fun of you making an unreasonable statement, then walking it back, then still trying to pretend to be more knowledgeable and superior. And now lame attempts to instead steer the conversation towards about me personally and away the actual discussion.

Look, I’m glad you walked it back and amended your statement when confronted. But pretending to still be more knowledgeable and framing me as emotional after doing so is just sad attempts to save face.

I don’t need to walk back on anything, pretend anything or frame anyone.
I’m Sorry if you feel that way.

 

[sdpdude9]

I don’t need to walk back on anything, pretend anything or frame anyone.
I’m Sorry if you feel that way.

You went from “on his way to getting triangled and was saved by the bell” to “maybe he would have gotten triangled or may not.” You went from “on his way getting triangled; he was saved by the bell.” to “ I never said anything getting finished.“ You’ve already walked it back and twisted the meaning of your words repeatedly. There’s no feelings about it (another weak attempt to frame me as emotional) there’s just your ever changing stances and not admitting it.

 

[sabretitan]

What a random question considering their last fight

 

[americanphenom]

Think Sakuraba vs Royce but no 15 minute rounds, just non-stop fighting until one is submitted or ko'd.

One thing that sucks about MMA is that the winner is not necessarily the best fighter, especially when it comes to the UFC's round-by-round scoring. Obviously having Vale Tudo style bouts where fights can take hours is not feasible.

Dagestani fighter's don't do as well in high level pure grappling tournemants as they do in MMA, since you can't strike. Also, BJJ specialists don't dominate in MMA as you would think, despite their high level grappling.

It's often said that a high-level BJJ practitioner will win any fight, it's just a matter of when. In a no-time limit fight where strikes are allowed, can a BJJ specialist like Olives eventually find a submission, or will Makhachev's wrestling, striking and grappling see him win?

You seriously can't be this dumb !!!!! WTF .....the firts fight ended in 2 rounds dummmmbassssss

 

[americanphenom]

Fair point, Olives might not have been the best person for this thread

Idiot !!!!

 

[Dionysian]

Cool, show me where I said that

First round ended with Oliveira on his back. You don't think the fight stays in that position a bit longer if the ref doesn't stand them up, and that might slightly change things?

Unless your "slightly change things" meant "change things for the worse for Charles" then this is where you suggested that...

 

[Kb7]

That's a pretty funny statement there about Olivear's sub game, perhaps rethink that lol. Olivera has among the most methodical submission games in the history of the sport. He doesn't just thrown them out there, he's among the best at setting them up. You don't have the most subs in the promotions history by just throw shit on wall lol.

He’s amongst the best at taking risk by throwing submissions when either he’s hurt or he has opponent hurt. Does he set up positions in some of his attempts, yes. But most of the time he’s just attempting submissions as a threat. His fight with Teymur he throw a triangle attempt when he knocked down and his finishing guillotine was Teymur panic wrestling as he was stunned.

 

[fightfan70]

in abu dabi or brazil?

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I sincerely doubt it.

I think TS thinks the first fight with Charles vs Islam was a controversial decision lol

 

[chinarice]

Volk would 100% win a no time-limit fight with Islam.

Charles? Different story. He has to get a finish and probably inside 2 rounds. I think he is getting finished again but i sure hope not