Could anyone break this tutorial by MJ White?

[JohnPJones]

MJW has never fought in boxing. If he could have, he would've, and made more money than from his shitty B-movies. Because he's apparently some kind of expert, and "revered for his hands". That's a quote.

MJW is worth at least 3.5million dollars. how many boxers are worth that much? sure the super stars are worth that much and more, but by your logic every boxing coach should be worth at least 3.5mil because boxing is more lucrative than 'B movies' just pointing this out, but he's also been a recurring character on a major tv series as well.

this is not the first time this discussion has been had in the short time i've been on this forum, and several other people who have experience with boxing can find nothing wrong with what he's saying.
please point out exactly what he has said that is objectively wrong.
right now it sounds like you're just made a guy who has TMA experience is criticizing boxing, and you're looking to simply try to detract from his statements by bringing up irrelevant points.

there are also sources saying he has trained with people like bill wallace, benny urquidez, and joe lewis

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/michael-jai-white-net-worth/

 

[RichardHarrow]

Kimbo wasn't a boxer at that time - he was a street fighter and never had particularly good technique. What MJW is saying is correct, no matter how you slice it, there are actually boxing coaches on this board that agree with him. We went through this whole discussion of this exact video months ago with Sinister saying pretty much the same thing I'm saying now.

Could you provide a link please ?

 

[Sinister]

Elbow flare is a real thing

 

[spacetime]

Elbow flare is a real thing

Not in teaching it isn't.

 

[spacetime]

please point out exactly what he has said that is objectively wrong.

He says right at the beginning of the clip. "A lot of (top) boxers are taught how to throw a flawed punch" The maestro with zero fights, zero experience in the ring.

 

[KarateStylist]

When you're in a match the instincts kick in and form deteriorates. Every single fighter telegraphs, overcommits, it's a natural process of fighting for real as opposed to drilling technques in isolation, or even sparring.

Thank yu for setting my point about the efficacy of drills.

 

[shincheckin]

at the end of the day, all he is saying is dont telegraph your punch. People tend to load the punch somehow some way, just throw it from where you are.

The punching of kimbos hand is kind of like a little trick IMO, as hes expecting a fast punch, so when he went slow the first time it threw him off.

can someone please explain to me why this michael jai white guy has become a authority or soemone to listen to regarding fighting? isnt he an actor? I just googled him, and apparently hes an actor with a martial arts background, but there is no mention of him competing/fighting, not saying its not possible that he hasnt fought or what not but I think the only reason anyone is listening to anything he has to say is because of his fame from being an actor, not his martial arts skill........that being said someone who has done martial arts their whole life and never fought, doesnt mean they dont know anything about martial arts or that they dont know what they are talking about, but theres literally tons of people that are the same, practiced martial arts their whole life but never fought, yet no one is viewing them as an expert....I am pretty sure you could probably learn a lot more from a high level amatuer boxer than a movie star actor that plays action character roles. Ill take advice on how to fight from someone who has experience fighting over someone who has studied fighting. Someone who has studied fighting for 20+ years Im sure can share some valuable information, but its one thing to study war and another to live the warriors life. not trying to say im super bad ass for having some fights or anything like that, as if i never fought, that statement still stands true, but I think many people dont recognize until they have actually fought.

regarding your question as to how can people be doing boxing wrong when its been around for hundreds of years, well people need to be taught correctly to do something correctly, combat sports have been plagued by phonies with phony credentials, and when this happens, you have the blind leading the blind.......the internet is slowly putting a stop to that, as back in the day you had to take peoples word for it, rather than just hopping onto boxrec to verify if someones underground kumite death match ever actually took place or not.

 

[Sinister]

Not in teaching it isn't.

Not sure what you're trying to say, there are World level fighters who flare their elbows on the regular. Lol and I've seen plenty of trainers ignore it

 

[KarateStylist]

He says right at the beginning of the clip. "A lot of (top) boxers are taught how to throw a flawed punch" The maestro with zero fights, zero experience in the ring.

I agree with Michael Jai White on the boxer taught thing. But I think the specific element that makes his statement correct is missing from the conversation.

I would stipulate that karate tradition is much stricter on how to punch than boxing. Yet the end result by the averages is worse than boxers. Because it's more involved, karateke mess up even more. Your quote about reverting to instinct then plays out.

Good observations.

 

[Sinister]

He says right at the beginning of the clip. "A lot of (top) boxers are taught how to throw a flawed punch" The maestro with zero fights, zero experience in the ring.

Just out of curiosity, what's your fight record and ring experience?

 

[JohnPJones]

He says right at the beginning of the clip. "A lot of (top) boxers are taught how to throw a flawed punch" The maestro with zero fights, zero experience in the ring.

except he has experience with fights. you're just choosing to ignore it because that suits you better.
you're butthurt a karateka criticized boxers.
if top boxers aren't taught to throw a flawed punch who cares? is what he is saying about punching objectively wrong?

 

[KarateStylist]

He says right at the beginning of the clip. "A lot of (top) boxers are taught how to throw a flawed punch" The maestro with zero fights, zero experience in the ring.

I'm not MMA. So I see things somewhat differently.

Point fighters in karate can range from basket cases to really dynamic strikers, and that's includes strong, physical technique.
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Strong, physical Body Mechanics are the fundamental basic talent underlying the karate styles MJW is accomplished in.

 

[KarateStylist]

Not in teaching it isn't.

BTW, though I myself don't endorse leaving karate for boxing, I believe your skills exhibited are on a very high order and your positions well considered.

Hope the damage to your reputation my endorsement brings will subside.

 

[JohnPJones]

at the end of the day, all he is saying is dont telegraph your punch. People tend to load the punch somehow some way, just throw it from where you are.

The punching of kimbos hand is kind of like a little trick IMO, as hes expecting a fast punch, so when he went slow the first time it threw him off.

can someone please explain to me why this michael jai white guy has become a authority or soemone to listen to regarding fighting? isnt he an actor? I just googled him, and apparently hes an actor with a martial arts background, but there is no mention of him competing/fighting, not saying its not possible that he hasnt fought or what not but I think the only reason anyone is listening to anything he has to say is because of his fame from being an actor, not his martial arts skill........that being said someone who has done martial arts their whole life and never fought, doesnt mean they dont know anything about martial arts or that they dont know what they are talking about, but theres literally tons of people that are the same, practiced martial arts their whole life but never fought, yet no one is viewing them as an expert....I am pretty sure you could probably learn a lot more from a high level amatuer boxer than a movie star actor that plays action character roles. Ill take advice on how to fight from someone who has experience fighting over someone who has studied fighting. Someone who has studied fighting for 20+ years Im sure can share some valuable information, but its one thing to study war and another to live the warriors life. not trying to say im super bad ass for having some fights or anything like that, as if i never fought, that statement still stands true, but I think many people dont recognize until they have actually fought.

regarding your question as to how can people be doing boxing wrong when its been around for hundreds of years, well people need to be taught correctly to do something correctly, combat sports have been plagued by phonies with phony credentials, and when this happens, you have the blind leading the blind.......the internet is slowly putting a stop to that, as back in the day you had to take peoples word for it, rather than just hopping onto boxrec to verify if someones underground kumite death match ever actually took place or not.

he did point sparring in the 80s as a teen, and i believe some kyokushin matches.
according to some sources he's also trained with some big names in kick boxing.

he is an actor, but he's a life long martial artist. i don't think anyone is saying he's any more of an authority than any other martial artist really. it's just a video of him talking to a famous (at the time) UFC fighter while on set for one of his movies.
tbh i think kimbo could have done better had he spent a year training with MJW.
with MJW i think for a lot of people its a situation similar to bruce lee. bruce had a HS boxing championship and a single video of him sparring as his only evidence of being a fighter, yet people act and talk like he was a martial arts god.

MJW back in the day. a couple of the kicks takes his opponents clean off their feet. it's not continuous fighting like kick boxing, but it doesn't seem that there's any expectation of pulling punches or kicks, and no chest protectors like modern point sparring, and he dealt with those two opponents fairly easily.



basically it's a chuck norris, bruce lee type situation.
he has movies that have good looking fight scenes, and he has an impressive TMA background.

 

[KarateStylist]

at the end of the day, all he is saying is dont telegraph your punch. People tend to load the punch somehow some way, just throw it from where you are.

NO. That is what you're saying, along with the near majority of the forum.

The punching of kimbos hand is kind of like a little trick IMO, as hes expecting a fast punch, so when he went slow the first time it threw him off.

MMA is all about tricks. Not karate. Not sure how I feel about MJW's overall explanation.

can someone please explain to me why this michael jai white guy has become a authority or soemone to listen to regarding fighting? isnt he an actor? I just googled him, and apparently hes an actor with a martial arts background, but there is no mention of him competing/fighting, not saying its not possible that he hasnt fought or what not but I think the only reason anyone is listening to anything he has to say is because of his fame from being an actor, not his martial arts skill........

Why even put him in the thread forum then? Why not make it a boxing thread w instruction on telegraphing?

that being said someone who has done martial arts their whole life and never fought, doesnt mean they dont know anything about martial arts or that they dont know what they are talking about, but theres literally tons of people that are the same, practiced martial arts their whole life but never fought, yet no one is viewing them as an expert....I am pretty sure you could probably learn a lot more from a high level amatuer boxer than a movie star actor that plays action character roles. Ill take advice on how to fight from someone who has experience fighting over someone who has studied fighting. Someone who has studied fighting for 20+ years Im sure can share some valuable information, but its one thing to study war and another to live the warriors life. not trying to say im super bad ass for having some fights or anything like that, as if i never fought, that statement still stands true, but I think many people dont recognize until they have actually fought.

regarding your question as to how can people be doing boxing wrong when its been around for hundreds of years, well people need to be taught correctly to do something correctly, combat sports have been plagued by phonies with phony credentials, and when this happens, you have the blind leading the blind.......the internet is slowly putting a stop to that, as back in the day you had to take peoples word for it, rather than just hopping onto boxrec to verify if someones underground kumite death match ever actually took place or not.

Sound bites cometh forth.

 

[KarateStylist]

he did point sparring in the 80s as a teen, and i believe some kyokushin matches.
according to some sources he's also trained with some big names in kick boxing.

Tnx with the IB4.

 

[KarateStylist]

Nobody counts amateur Kyokushin bouts except for his boyfriend Rogan, in which you can't punch to the fucking face.

Also did some Karate point fighting. So I guess he does know boxing!

Michael Jai White is a Black Belt in seven karate styles and he has won 26 martial arts titles, including U.S. Open, the North American Open, and he was the New England Grand Champion.

Michael Jai White is a Black Belt in seven different styles including Shotokan, Taekwondo, Kobudo, Goju Ryu (under Master Eddie Morales), Tang Soo Do, Wushu and Kyokushin, with a specific focus in Kyokushin . His style incorporates aspects of many different martial arts forms. White started training in the martial arts at the age of seven in Jujutsu and then Shotokan moving to other styles later.

Born in Brooklyn, New York, on November 10, 1967, Michael was raised between impoverished Bridgeport and wealthy Westport, Conneticut, which has the highest percapita income in the United States. Michael, raised between these two very different financial worlds, grew comfortable in either surrounding. By the age of 14, he had already gained the reputation of being a fearless, tough street fighter and his hatred for bullies often forced him to seek them out for battle. Left partially on his own, the very mature looking Michael began offering karate lessons at the local YMCA and also earned money by competing in karate tournaments and dance contests.

Source: https://www.usadojo.com/michael-jai-white/

 

[JohnPJones]

Michael Jai White is a Black Belt in seven karate styles and he has won 26 martial arts titles, including U.S. Open, the North American Open, and he was the New England Grand Champion.

Michael Jai White is a Black Belt in seven different styles including Shotokan, Taekwondo, Kobudo, Goju Ryu (under Master Eddie Morales), Tang Soo Do, Wushu and Kyokushin, with a specific focus in Kyokushin . His style incorporates aspects of many different martial arts forms. White started training in the martial arts at the age of seven in Jujutsu and then Shotokan moving to other styles later.

Born in Brooklyn, New York, on November 10, 1967, Michael was raised between impoverished Bridgeport and wealthy Westport, Conneticut, which has the highest percapita income in the United States. Michael, raised between these two very different financial worlds, grew comfortable in either surrounding. By the age of 14, he had already gained the reputation of being a fearless, tough street fighter and his hatred for bullies often forced him to seek them out for battle. Left partially on his own, the very mature looking Michael began offering karate lessons at the local YMCA and also earned money by competing in karate tournaments and dance contests.

Source: https://www.usadojo.com/michael-jai-white/

6 karate styles and BJJ from what i've seen.

 

[JohnPJones]

@shincheckin
what would you define as an authority?
he has black belts in several martial arts, primarily striking.
he has a limited competitive background.
he has reportedly trained with fighters who had extensive pro careers
pro fighters have trained with him for at least single sessions

is that enough to make him an authority, or do you have to have your own background of extensive and successful competition?



you can also check out his youtube videos and judge him on what he says there.

 

[KarateStylist]

6 karate styles and BJJ from what i've seen.

Yeah, I'm not a stats guy. Just wanted to throw in some background. Supposedly trained under Bill Wallace too, who interestingly enough was one of the 1st UFC announcers.