Could a prime Weidman have beaten Izzy?

[listrahtes]

You mean juiced out Weidman?

Against titty Izzy that isnt really a detriment. Yes Weidman was best on juice but Izzy is on the juice right now. So its a fair comparison.

 

[Mark McMichael]

I would say you're starting to get old after 35 years old in fighting sports, especially outside the HW division.

And yes, you can still win, even past prime.

Past prime doesn't mean losses...

See i don't agree with this type of definition of Prime as simply the years that coincide with male physiological prime.

I think those are two different things and sometimes they line up but at other times they do not.

Instead I think Fighting Prime is the point where your 'Physical Game along with your mental Game and Experience', all come together.

We often see fighters who can get by on their physical prime alone but who get better later when they have more experience and better fight IQ.

Also Prime is not a plateau or a single level and is rather a curve. A fighter enters his prime but is getting better all thru that period until he hits a peak and then is on the downside of his prime.

it looks more like this (ignore numbers on left) .

People here seem to think that the minute a fighter loses a step you can say his prime was over but that is not the case, imo. All the fights Anderson had from Leben thru Weidman where in his prime. Hendo thru Belfort would be the transition periods (or flatter part at the top) with all the other fights on the up or downside of his prime run.

Weidman, imo KTFO Prime Anderson but an Anderson who was not at his peak. He would have beat that Anderson too, imo, but in a closer fight.

 

[Masturbin]

You mean juiced out Weidman?

Meh he never tested positive. Just had low T + the Iv ban fucked him up a bit.
He's not that sus

 

[Steel Gloves]

Hmm probably, prime Weidman was an absolute force.. he beat a relatively prime machida in damn near a 5 round karate point fighting match lol not to mention his power, wrestling and submissions.. he also had great timing which would help against izzy and a good chin.

LOL relatively prime. So that means Weidman is still in his prime considering he's now relatively the same age Machida was when he faced him.

 

[Humongo]

Prime Weidman was (T)KOed like 5x

Prime Weidman claim to fame was beating a 38 year old Silva,a 36-37 year old Machida(who was considered past his best after being strangled by Jon Jones) and a deflated 40 year old TRTless Belfort,who hadnt fought in over a year

Stylebender by KO

The same guy Gynosaya couldn't finish at 43(?) years old?

 

[Willek]

Bisping lost to Chael when The Chris beat Maia and Munoz and then got grapple fucked by Tim Kennedy while Weidman was an undefeated champion. I don't think you're right about that.

You didn't watch Bisping/Chael then.

 

[Moosetony]

The same guy Gynosaya couldn't finish at 43(?) years old?

Exactly
Prime weidman would take down Ozzy easily
He'll prime Luke would beat Izzy.
I don't get the hype if Izzy. Dude is boring as shit. Couldn't finish a old Silvia or a old Romero. Or even Marvin

Prime mousasi whoops all mws including silva

 

[HHJ]

I think its a winnable fight for The Chris.

 

[Phisher]

Both current Weidman and Rockhold beat Izzy

Luckily for Izzy he won’t have to fight them

LOL Weidman went life and death with Akhmedov, who's not even in the UFC anymore.

He doesn't beat any top ten guy at present, much less Adesanya.

Rockhold can't even make it through a fucking training camp.

 

[Moosetony]

LOL Weidman went life and death with Akhmedov, who's not even in the UFC anymore.

He doesn't beat any top ten guy at present, much less Adesanya.

Rockhold can't even make it through a fucking training camp.

That's why he said prime. Good way to ignore the question
Dude lost to Jan who got whooped by old man glover
He couldn't even finish a 43year old man

 

[Phisher]

Prime Weidman would smash Izzy. That’s probably the worst middleweight matchup stylistically for Izzy.

LOL Are people forgetting that prime Weidman still had shitty cardio?

He'd have a chance early in the fight, but if he didn't sub Izzy or do a lot of damage on the ground, he likely gets caught late.

Also, Izzy's ground game at MW is very good. He's been able to get off of the ground and reverse every single TD.

 

[Phisher]

That's why he said prime. Good way to ignore the question
Dude lost to Jan who got whooped by old man glover
He couldn't even finish a 43year old man

He lost to guy in a weight class that he had no business in.

Weidman went up to LHW and couldn't last 30 seconds against a guy that Jan destroyed.

Also, you've resorted to talking about the Jan fight because Adesanya has done very well against wrestlers at 185.

 

[Phisher]

That's why he said prime. Good way to ignore the question
Dude lost to Jan who got whooped by old man glover
He couldn't even finish a 43year old man

You're just spamming the same shit over and over again.

People said Adesanya was a fraud after the Silva fight, but then he went on to win the title by KOing Whittaker twice in the same fight.

 

[Canned Tuna]

You didn't watch Bisping/Chael then.

I did. It was a great fight with a razor thin outcome. The fact that you chose to shift focus by disputing the outcome of the Bisping vs Sonnen fight instead of addressing the fact that Weidman was steamrolling the division while Bisping lost to previously unranked Tim Kennedy says everything that needs to be said on the topic of whether Bisping would've always beaten Weidman. It's a nice attempt at deflection, but nobody in their right mind believes that Bisping would've beaten Weidman from 2012-2015.

 

[Mark McMichael]

There was no point Weidman was in trouble at any point of fighting Anderson Silva.

Anderson of a specific time in his career allegedly beating Weidman is a baseless claim. We watched them fight twice and Weidman was winning both fights before the fights were stopped and Weidman was declared the winner.

We're closing in on a decade and Silva's fanbase still can't even be honest about the 2 Weidman/Silva fights.

In there alternate reality they assume that Anderson's clowning was not a necessary part of his game. Something he used to try and bait guys like Forrest and Weidman to head hunt him for a KO, rather than take him down. Chael never fell for any of the stand up and fight me tactics and simply put Anderson on his back each and every time. Anderson did not want Weidman to get in that position and thus why he was clowning and offering up his chin to Weidman. He assumed Weidman was slow, like Forrest and he could dodge and weave and then counter strike Weidman at will, and break his spirit as he did with Forrest.

and he needed to do it as Weidman showed in his first td and GnP that he was no Chael and would put Anderson out cold on the ground.

that is why Anderson upped the clowning, and it worked. Weidman did switch to head hunting instead of td's and GnP, as Anderson danced and put his chin out as he did with Forrest. The problem is Weidman was not Forrest on the feet either. Weidman was landing and making Anderson swing at air in the counters. Anderson could not land while Weidman was landing very hard shots that eventually put Anderson out.

There is no mythical 'other' strategy Anderson could have used to beat Weidman. None. He fights serious and Weidman just puts him on his back and KO's him eventually. He stands up and ... well we know.

 

[King in the North]

Jesus Christ is this first page real? Settle down guys. Adesanya knocks out any version of the Chris.

 

[Moosetony]

You're just spamming the same shit over and over again.

People said Adesanya was a fraud after the Silva fight, but then he went on to win the title by KOing Whittaker twice in the same fight.

Whittaker that had multiple injurys and gone over 1 1/2years?
That's the only good fighter he beat.
1 good fight doesn't make you the best

 

[alex21cms]

do you mean together because if so maybe

Both current Weidman and Rockhold beat Izzy

Luckily for Izzy he won’t have to fight them

 

[kahymo]

what about bring back Gegard , this could be a very interresting fight
the guy destroyed Weidman and a few others top ranked

 

[StewDogg11]

Weidman would submit him.