Cormier is a heavyweight who is coming back up..

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As much as people love to talk shite on heavyweights as not being skilled as other lighterweights, it always has been the king of the fighting game. The baddest man on the planet always has been from the heavyweights, because p4p is only existing in the minds of fans.

I see the talk of some people suggesting Cormier is the GOAT if he beats Stipe. Not even close. Cormier was the dude who used to weigh 250 + pounds when he was fighting at heavyweights, this guy is not a natural lightheavyweight who is moving up in weight class.

For example, imagine for a second GSP moving down a weight class, like he often claims, and fought let's say Eddie or Conor or whoever, then imagine him reclaiming his throne at WW. This ain't same as GSP moving up a weight class, a natural weight class, for example fighting Anderson Silva at MW.

I can totally see Cormier beating Stipe. If Cormier fought Stipe before moving down a weight class, he would have been a massive favorite, though Stipe did improve over time. If he does beat Stipe, only greatness in my opinion that it proves is the greatness of Jon Jones.

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JustOnce said:
As much as people love to talk shite on heavyweights as not being as skilled as other lighterweights, that always has been the king of the fighting game. The baddest man on the planet always has been from the heavyweights, because p4p is only existing in the minds of fans.

I see the talk of some people suggesting Cormier is the GOAT if he beats Stipe. Not even close. Cormier was the dude who used to weigh 250 + pounds when he was fighting at heavyweights, this guy is not a natural lightheavyweight who is moving up in weight class.

For example, imagine for a second GSP moving down a weight class, like he often claims, and fought let's say Eddie or Conor or whoever, then imagine him reclaiming his throne at WW. This ain't same as GSP moving up a weight class, a natural weight class, for example fighting Anderson Silva at MW.

I can totally see Cormier beating Stipe. If Cormier fought Stipe before moving down a weight class, he would have been a massive favorite, though Stipe did improve over time. If he does beat Stipe, only greatness in my opinion that it proves is the greatness of Jon Jones.

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if you can make 205, youre a light heavyweight

if you fight above that, youre a heavyweight

as far as jones, dont compare him to guys who fight above. he will not beat stipe in a fight, bank that.
 
ufc HW has an upper-limit so UFC heavyweight = no skill and not even the biggest
 
TS somehow managed to dismiss DC's entire LHW resume and call JJ goat.
 
Final Say said:
if you can make 205, youre a light heavyweight

if you fight above that, youre a heavyweight

as far as jones, dont compare him to guys who fight above. he will not beat stipe in a fight, bank that.
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Huh okay captain obvious
 
I love Cormier style fighting just like Cain do it and Stipe copy Cain but with God help I hope Stipe win this because Dana and other heavyweights want to stop Stipe
 
Stipe's going to make DC realize why his move to LHW was a good idea.
 
JustOnce said:
"Cormier is a heavyweight who is coming back up..."
"Cormier was the dude who used to weigh 250 + pounds when he was fighting at heavyweights"

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No. He is a LHW that decided to fight at HW and was successful doing it. And....can you remind me when did he come weighing 250 plus pounds to a fight??? cause I don't remember him ever been heavier than 235 pounds sir.
 
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A HW who dominated HW's then went to LHW and fights better strikers and does very well. Apart from Jones losses.

He's going back to HW with better skills and experience than when he won in Strikeforce.
 
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As much as people love to talk shite on heavyweights as not being skilled as other lighterweights, it always has been the king of the fighting game. The baddest man on the planet always has been from the heavyweights, because p4p is only existing in the minds of fans.

I see the talk of some people suggesting Cormier is the GOAT if he beats Stipe. Not even close. Cormier was the dude who used to weigh 250 + pounds when he was fighting at heavyweights, this guy is not a natural lightheavyweight who is moving up in weight class.

For example, imagine for a second GSP moving down a weight class, like he often claims, and fought let's say Eddie or Conor or whoever, then imagine him reclaiming his throne at WW. This ain't same as GSP moving up a weight class, a natural weight class, for example fighting Anderson Silva at MW.

I can totally see Cormier beating Stipe. If Cormier fought Stipe before moving down a weight class, he would have been a massive favorite, though Stipe did improve over time. If he does beat Stipe, only greatness in my opinion that it proves is the greatness of Jon Jones.

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I kind of disagree.
If anything, DC is a fat LHW.
If you see his size, he is even small for a LHW.

Yes, he fought at HW, but so what?
Frankie was the LW champion, but EVERYONE said he was a natural FW.

If DC was the size of a Jon Jones, your argument would hold more water. As is is, IMO your argument is biased and invalid.
 
Almost everyone cuts weight so almost everyone is fighting at a weight class (or 2 in some cases) below their natural weight.

The last natural 205er was Machida.

The last natural champ at 155 was Frankie.
 
DC is a LHW. He's not even particularely big or tall for LHW.

This thread is shit.
 
If Cormier beats Miocic he is both the HW and LHW champ. Champion of the 2 most prestigious weight classes in combat sports, the badest of the bad. Who else has done that, Randy Cotoure and as far as I know, nobody else. Plus Cormier will do it in an era where HWs are bigger and stronger than in Randy's era. He beat Tim Sylvia for the HW title. If DC wins he may be GOAT with an * [never beat Jon Jones]. Like Hank Aaron was greatest HR hitter ever except * [ hit less than Barry Bonds].
 
Final Say said:
if you can make 205, youre a light heavyweight

if you fight above that, youre a heavyweight

as far as jones, dont compare him to guys who fight above. he will not beat stipe in a fight, bank that.
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240 pound Jones wrecks Stipe.

And yes

Jones does get as high as 240 out of fight camp. When he was powerlifting during his first suspension he posted a picture with his weight at 241. (Greg Jackson even attributed his poor performance vs OSP because of the lifting. Listen to the corner mic during the fight.)

And Jones vs Stipe for the HW title was Jones's next fight after the DC rematch if he didn't get suspended.
 
DC hasn't fought at HW in five years. He has never missed weight at LHW (yes I know towelgate, but he made it). He has nearly as many fights at LHW as he does at HW. He was 224 lbs in his last HW fight against Roy Nelson, any heavier than that and he was fat.

BJ Penn fought Lyoto at HW. If he becomes completely unmotivated and fat and takes a HW fight would that not be moving up?
 
He would still be a two division champion, and just have beaten the greatest UFC HW of all time. Undefeated at HW with an impressive title reign at LHW.

So no idea what you're talking about him not being even close to GOAT. That's some weird circular logic to discredit his greatest win before it even happens.
 
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