<<Console Wars>> PS5 vs. XSX

[Deadwing88]

Right so potentially several years off until any of this starts bearing real fruit.

How does the end of the year/2022 = several years away ? lol.

 

[Dizzy]

How does the end of the year/2022 = several years away ? lol.

There’s been a handful of games even announced for the Series X, much less given release windows.

Where are you getting there will be some massive library next year?

 

[Deadwing88]

There’s been a handful of games even announced for the Series X, much less given release windows.

Where are you getting there will be some massive library next year?

When did I suggest there will be some massive library...? Read my posts again, maybe without your usual weird agenda.

The rumour repeated by various outlets is that they're trying to get Forza, Starfield, and Halo out for this year. I would say, if it happens, would be a indication that their large first party portfolio is starting to bear fruit to some degree, as you have described would be several years away.

E3's a month away.. so we'll have more of a idea then.

 

[HereticBD]

At least the PS5 has a killer app right now though (and it’s not on PC). Plus Ratchet & Clank coming out next month.

Which is why I gave it a soft pass. They've at least got something to show the new machine off. Still pretty skimpy, though. There is absolutely no reason to buy a Series X/S right now unless tech specs turns your crank. Especially at a premium cost, too. Like, what are people paying for?

 

[Dizzy]

When did I suggest there will be some massive library...? Read my posts again, maybe without your usual weird agenda.

The rumour repeated by various outlets is that they're trying to get Forza, Starfield, and Halo out for this year. I would say, if it happens, would be a indication that their large first party portfolio is starting to bear fruit to some degree, as you have described.

E3's a month away.. so we'll have more of a idea then.

Jesus, I said it would likely be several years before we start seeing much of a first party library on Series X. You brought up three games that maybe, could be released this year. I reiterated that yes, it sounds like any substantial presence is still likely years away. You brought up 2022 as some kind of counter to that.

So basically this interaction was pointless.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I wonder how much covid has effected things with working at home etc. because you have to think with all those studio acquisitions over the last three years that MS must have wanted XSX to have a strong first year for releases.

 

[Dizzy]

I wonder how much covid has effected things with working at home etc. because you have to think with all those studio acquisitions over the last three years that MS must have wanted XSX to have a strong first year for releases.

Seemed like they were banking a lot on Halo for launch and then we got this:

And they had to regroup.

Covid has fucked with everything. We were supposed to have even more PS5 games around launch as well. Its impact on the industry is definitely felt and widespread.

 

[jerzey devil]

Let’s add some fuel to this fire.

https://www.gamesradar.com/resident-evil-village-demo-runs-slightly-smoother-on-xbox-series-x-than-ps5/

 

[My Spot]

Which app are you referring to? And what are the benefits? I've been trying to read up a bit here and there about these next gen systems, but the articles and videos tend to be all over the place.

Demon’s Souls.

 

[method115]

Let’s add some fuel to this fire.
https://www.gamesradar.com/resident...-slightly-smoother-on-xbox-series-x-than-ps5/
https://www.gamesradar.com/resident...-slightly-smoother-on-xbox-series-x-than-ps5/

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Every PS5 owner should pretty much expect this from here on out. If your buying a PS5 hoping for better third party performance you will be very disappointed. If your buying it for exclusive games well then you made the right choice.

 

[jerzey devil]

Every PS5 owner should pretty much expect this from here on out. If your buying a PS5 hoping for better third party performance you will be very disappointed. If your buying it for exclusive games well then you made the right choice.

At this point I’d say all 3 systems will be worth owning for exclusives.

 

[method115]

At this point I’d say all 3 systems will be worth owning for exclusives.

I'm holding out before making a statement like that. Xbox has a lot of opportunities but will see if they pay off. It's one thing to have a long list of potential titles coming out but it's another thing to release actual good games worth playing. Some of their games we don't even know if they will be exclusive. Stalker 2 was just confirmed to only be 3 months exclusive.

 

[jerzey devil]

I'm holding out before making a statement like that. Xbox has a lot of opportunities but will see if they pay off. It's one thing to have a long list of potential titles coming out but it's another thing to release actual good games worth playing. Some of their games we don't even know if they will be exclusive. Stalker 2 was just confirmed to only be 3 months exclusive.

Dude they have Bethesda and everything that comes with it. That’s enough reason to buy the console right there. I’m not going to try to sell you on the other studios like Ninja Theory, Obsidian, etc.

I don’t know when all of these games are going to be released but if that line up doesn’t get someone excited I don’t think they’re looking with a very open mind.

 

[method115]

Dude they have Bethesda and everything that comes with it. That’s enough reason to buy the console right there. I’m not going to try to sell you on the other studios like Ninja Theory, Obsidian, etc.

I don’t know when all of these games are going to be released but if that line up doesn’t get someone excited I don’t think they’re looking with a very open mind.

Yes but like I said we don't know what's going to be exclusive yet. They've been vague about the whole thing. A lot of the games they've announced sound promising and I'm excited for them but we've seen games that sound good end up being garbage. People were hyped about Cyber Punk as well and look how that turned out. I still enjoyed it and thought it was a good game but a lot of people hated it.

Like I said Xbox is making all the right moves and their future looks good but until they deliver I'm holding off on statements like "all 3 systems will be worth owning for exclusives". This is without even getting into the fact that your way way better off just building a gaming PC and getting all of the xbox exclusives as well as some Sony exclusives. Hell by next gen their might not be a reason to own either system other than Nintendo if Sony keeps putting their games on PC. Well unless you hate hackers in competitive games then your better off getting a console.

 

[jerzey devil]

Yes but like I said we don't know what's going to be exclusive yet. They've been vague about the whole thing. A lot of the games they've announced sound promising and I'm excited for them but we've seen games that sound good end up being garbage. People were hyped about Cyber Punk as well and look how that turned out. I still enjoyed it and thought it was a good game but a lot of people hated it.

Like I said Xbox is making all the right moves and their future looks good but until they deliver I'm holding off on statements like "all 3 systems will be worth owning for exclusives". This is without even getting into the fact that your way way better off just building a gaming PC and getting all of the xbox exclusives as well as some Sony exclusives. Hell by next gen their might not be a reason to own either system other than Nintendo if Sony keeps putting their games on PC. Well unless you hate hackers in competitive games then your better off getting a console.

I wouldn’t say you’re way way better off building a PC. You can get a Series X, PS5, and Switch for the same price as it would cost to make a good gaming PC.

 

[method115]

I wouldn’t say you’re way way better off building a PC. You can get a Series X, PS5, and Switch for the same price as it would cost to make a good gaming PC.

Yea I guess that's true with all the shit that's going on with PC gaming right now. I would still prefer to have all my games on 1 system. You do get a switch on top of it and Sony games right away instead of waiting so fair point.

 

[jerzey devil]

Yea I guess that's true with all the shit that's going on with PC gaming right now. I would still prefer to have all my games on 1 system. You do get a switch on top of it and Sony games right away instead of waiting so fair point.

I’ve always been a console gamer anyway dating back to the Sega Master System. Just prefer the whole thing to PC gaming. I guess I’m just old and stubborn that way.

 

[method115]

I’ve always been a console gamer anyway dating back to the Sega Master System. Just prefer the whole thing to PC gaming. I guess I’m just old and stubborn that way.

I've done both. Started out as a console gamer. Then went to PC right around the time the internet was out and online games started to become a thing on PC. I still remember my cousin showing me the first FTP play online game I ever played Subspace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(video_game)). I was blown away at the time at being online playing against other people. After that went back to console with Dreamcast, then back to PC with WOW, then back to console once my PC blew up on me.

Since then I've realized I like certain things about PC but I still need a console overall. I stick to my PC for all single player games though. Multiplayer games vary on which system I play on.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I think the playing field has been evened out significantly. PC is my preferred place to play games but I can't help not to be impressed by something like Spider-man on the PS5. Can my PC do it? Sure but I don't have a 4K monitor and you rarely get PC-only games that are completely optimized for exact PC hardware. And for $500, it's super impressive to get that kind of fidelity from a console.

With the Xbox, I'm impressed with its backwards compatibility and the quick resume feature along with the SSD is one of the greatest advancements in consoles to me. Despite being on my PC most the day, I can power on my Series X and it's on the dashboard in 3-5 seconds. After that, I start my game and it immediately picks up where it left off at. That's a game changer to me. It's literally quicker for me to power on the Xbox and be back in game vs. me already being on my PC, starting the game from Steam, going through all of the menus and then resuming from my last save rather than anywhere I want.

So while I love PC gaming, I'm now open minded and don't mind playing certain games on console. I have a RTX 2070 currently and I'm probably not going to get much better than 60fps if that on Assassin's Creed Valhalla so I might as well just play it on console locked at 60fps with HDR. Especially with the quick resume. Meanwhile, if I'm playing something like DOOM Eternal where I want a mouse and keyboard and high frame rates, I'll be playing that on PC.

I just think that it's cool that this gen no matter where you want to play, you are going to get a good experience. PC will always be best if you have the best hardware but consoles have really bridged the gap and you can get a very similar experience on them now.

PC = First person shooters, high frame rate games and cheap deals on games
Xbox = My primary console. Backwards compatibility and games I want to use with Quick Resume, games that run well at 60/120fps or games that don't need a lot of horsepower like indie titles
PS5 = Exclusives only

 

[Madmick]

Every PS5 owner should pretty much expect this from here on out. If your buying a PS5 hoping for better third party performance you will be very disappointed. If your buying it for exclusive games well then you made the right choice.

This is what I explained to the forum over six months ago:

Meaning the Xbox is using more advanced development tools that were only just created for the new hardware architecture to take advantage of the latest features. So once patches come through the XSX will close deficit relative to processing power, which means either superior performance, or equal performance, but with stronger features.

It won't take 4-5 years for consoles. The XSX is already outperforming the PS5 in several multiplat games, at least, I haven't reviewed analysis of dozens, if there is, and specifically when discussing major differences, like res/framerate target differences, the presence of optional framerate modes, or completely new graphical features like ray-tracing, VRS, mesh shaders, etc. The PS5 only seems to enjoy an advantage that will be patched away. You're thinking of PC where developer-side care for stuff like APIs is sluggish (ex. DX12/Vulkan support). "It's easier to develop for the PS5" because it's always easier to develop for something that doesn't add anything new. It's easier to develop for the PS4 and Xbox than new GPUs on the PC, for example.

The primary analysis they're not offering, since DRS now rules the world, is the average resolution on each system, or the total time spent at x resolution at various levels (ex. 1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p, 1800p, 2160p). The recent spate of multiplat games performing so closely has been surprising, given the raw advantage for the Xbox with nearly identical hardware; however not too surprising, as Rich pointed out it's easier for developers in the blitz to prepare for the big launch to just run the same mode on both machines, setting this baseline lower to satisfying what the PS5 can handle, with the possibility (not the guarantee) that they will optimize the overhead the XSX enjoys given more time.

The fact developers are taking longer to adapt to the more advanced dev kit in the Xbox is the most logical explanation for the games where it tends to suffer framerate dips...and that is reinforced by the fact it took less than a week to patch Valhalla to close the performance gap in that particular game (according to Ubisoft themselves)...

At the end of the day, hardware is hardware, and the XSX is ~30% superior using nearly identical hardware pipelining on identical architecture (Zen 2 & RDNA 2.0). Never has a lesser GPU or CPU in this situation outperformed a greater counterpart once drivers and game patches matured.