Conor McGregor Weigh In Comparison

One of those pics he was dehydrated in. You're comparing apples to oranges.
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
Sure, he can make featherweight, but he's not going to. There's no reason to. His fame isn't tied to the FW division. He'll make just as much money at 155 as at 145, so why put himself through the hell necessary to get to 145?
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Sure he doesn't need to go back to FW but if he does lose at 205 I don't see him not going back to FW to defend.

A don't see a scenario where Conor loses then still doesn't defend. Unless the next fight after 205 is with mayweather
 
Go with in cage fight night pics better.. I don't know.

FW fight night weight around 165 lbs

LW* (but WW scale) fight night weight around 175 lbs

And yes you goofs if you think he was 168 lbs in the Diaz fights then he can't be 165 in the FW fights right ? you clearly see extra lbs on him.. so picks witch one is he lying about.

And yes he cut weight a little, he did it the first time around Diaz I we saw him with full on sweaty shirts and went for the water instantly and hard just right after the scale and the second time he just aimed for that exact number once again to work his narrative.
 
One MMA Fan said:
And yes you goofs if you think he was 168 lbs in the Diaz fights then he can't be 165 in the FW fights right ? you clearly see extra lbs on him.. so picks witch one is he lying about.
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Elaborate on that, sir.

You're not taking that comment Sanchez made just before the Aldo fight that he weighed 174 as gospel?
 
Hoop said:
Elaborate on that, sir.

You're not taking that comment Sanchez made just before the Aldo fight that he weighed 174 as gospel?
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We have many people telling us how big Conor is.. from 170 to 171 to 172 to 174 multiple sources from himself on video, to his coach, to Chael, to Sanchez, to different "mma journalists" on twitter, etc there is a bunch of info out there if you pay attention to the weight and lbs of fighters and I did so I took note of all of it.

So if he is around 165 on fight night in FW like his coach and others claim he can't be 168 only 3 lbs heavier for LW (with WW scale for a lot of reasons that I won't get into it now) so we clearly see him with our own eyes inside the cage that he is bigger maybe 10-12 heavier then what he was in FW on fight night.

So it's either lies on his FW fight weight or lies on his LW/WW* fights weight with Diaz (again I say WW* because a real fighter in that class is 190-195 lbs on fight night and neither was Conor or Diaz a proper WW fighter more like LW that cut very little, like single digits cause they signed for the 170 lbs scale.. I fully expect Conor to be the same size like he was in the "WW division" for his fights at the LW division if you get what I'm trying to say).
 
One MMA Fan said:
We have many people telling us how big Conor is.. from 170 to 171 to 172 to 174 multiple sources from himself on video, to his coach, to Chael, to Sanchez, to different "mma journalists" on twitter, etc there is a bunch of info out there if you pay attention to the weight and lbs of fighters and I did so I took note of all of it.
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Yeah, I've heard similar. Conor answered at a Q&A that he walked around at touching 170. But I'm also sure that he mentioned having to eat clean all year round to stay at that weight so as not to make the cut to 145 even harder. He talked about cutting down to 155 as being a doddle and he could eat more in the lead up to the fight. On those embedded vlogs before the Aldo fight, he seemed a lot happier and I remember him eating what looked like a hefty portion of food for him during fight week - but after the fight it was only revealed that he was working with Lockhart on his diet and that he could eat more during the week of the fight.

This whole topic of weight cutting in general and putting it back on I find interesting in general. Conor looks the way he does because he's cutting down to a low weight, right? I'd guess he looks about mid 60s come fight night - bare with me on that point. Rumble when he fought at 170, didn't look scrawny at the scales like Conor, but when he rehydrated, he looked two weight classes above some fighters.

My point with Conor, by my guess, being mid 60s at FW is because he cuts roughly 25lbs - if he walks around at 170 give or take - but because he's fighting at a lower weight class and looks so scrawny, when he starts to eat and drink after the weigh in, he's more likely going to fill out and look better?

With Rumble when he hit the scales you didn't think to yourself 'Jesus, he looks bad' but come fight night, he looked huge - that fight with Brenneman the size difference was ridiculous. And he talked about having to get in shape to do a training camp and he'd cut around 30lbs to get down to WW. He seemed to be fond of his food when he didn't have a fight at WW, which looking back, I always thought he wasn't keeping his diet clean and it could have being one reason why he missed weight a couple of times and fainted before the Koscheck fight.

One MMA Fan said:
So if he is around 165 on fight night in FW like his coach and others claim he can't be 168 only 3 lbs heavier for LW (with WW scale for a lot of reasons that I won't get into it now) so we clearly see him with our own eyes inside the cage that he is bigger maybe 10-12 heavier then what he was in FW on fight night.
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Mmm. Fuck knows. I'd guess the same he put back on that amount of weight for FW. One of his other coaches - Roddy - talked about how he gets down to 145 and questioned how fully he recovered come fight night. But again, I think their method of weight cutting before Lockhart came on board was starving him and limiting how much fluids he could take in.

One MMA Fan said:
So it's either lies on his FW fight weight or lies on his LW/WW* fights weight with Diaz (again I say WW* because a real fighter in that class is 190-195 lbs on fight night and neither was Conor or Diaz a proper WW fighter more like LW that cut very little, like single digits cause they signed for the 170 lbs scale.. I fully expect Conor to be the same size like he was in the "WW division" for his fights at the LW division if you get what I'm trying to say).
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I know my post is a bit of an essay, but that's why I brought up Rumble as an example of someone who cut a lot of weight. dos Anjos has talked about cutting down from 190 to LW - which seems ridiculous - and also Kevin Lee talked about cutting down from 190. I always assumed fighters at certain weight classes walked around at similar weight to each other.

I get what you're saying about them not being proper WW's. However, Diaz did look big inbetween that fight - that picture of him, Diaz sr and Liddell, he looks almost the same size as the other two. But he's also tall and has a bigger frame. He said he was 173 on fight night which I don't believe. I think he was about 180. That's always being part of fighting as well, trying to get down to a weight class via cutting as much weight as you can.

As for Conor I'd have assumed he trained at his walk around weight and just didn't cut any weight. He looked a bit leaner for the second fight and put a bit more emphasis on his diet and cardio. Yeah, I'd agree he'll most likely be the same weight fight night at 155. Forgetting all the folk who are guessing what weight Conor walks around at and from Conor's mouth he talked about being roughly 165 for the Diaz fight, which I think Kavanagh repeated as well.

But Lockhart being his nutritionist and ex fighter himself, said way back that Conor could fight at 170, but he'd need to take time out to build up muscle so he could compete with a proper WW. Diaz is probably a bit over sized for LW, but not strong enough for 170. Conor is an over sized FW who is probably going to be one of the smaller LWs and like Diaz would probably benefit from there being open weight classes, but that's not going to happen.
 
Hoop said:
Yeah, I've heard similar. Conor answered at a Q&A that he walked around at touching 170. But I'm also sure that he mentioned having to eat clean all year round to stay at that weight so as not to make the cut to 145 even harder. He talked about cutting down to 155 as being a doddle and he could eat more in the lead up to the fight. On those embedded vlogs before the Aldo fight, he seemed a lot happier and I remember him eating what looked like a hefty portion of food for him during fight week - but after the fight it was only revealed that he was working with Lockhart on his diet and that he could eat more during the week of the fight.

This whole topic of weight cutting in general and putting it back on I find interesting in general. Conor looks the way he does because he's cutting down to a low weight, right? I'd guess he looks about mid 60s come fight night - bare with me on that point. Rumble when he fought at 170, didn't look scrawny at the scales like Conor, but when he rehydrated, he looked two weight classes above some fighters.

My point with Conor, by my guess, being mid 60s at FW is because he cuts roughly 25lbs - if he walks around at 170 give or take - but because he's fighting at a lower weight class and looks so scrawny, when he starts to eat and drink after the weigh in, he's more likely going to fill out and look better?

With Rumble when he hit the scales you didn't think to yourself 'Jesus, he looks bad' but come fight night, he looked huge - that fight with Brenneman the size difference was ridiculous. And he talked about having to get in shape to do a training camp and he'd cut around 30lbs to get down to WW. He seemed to be fond of his food when he didn't have a fight at WW, which looking back, I always thought he wasn't keeping his diet clean and it could have being one reason why he missed weight a couple of times and fainted before the Koscheck fight.



Mmm. Fuck knows. I'd guess the same he put back on that amount of weight for FW. One of his other coaches - Roddy - talked about how he gets down to 145 and questioned how fully he recovered come fight night. But again, I think their method of weight cutting before Lockhart came on board was starving him and limiting how much fluids he could take in.



I know my post is a bit of an essay, but that's why I brought up Rumble as an example of someone who cut a lot of weight. dos Anjos has talked about cutting down from 190 to LW - which seems ridiculous - and also Kevin Lee talked about cutting down from 190. I always assumed fighters at certain weight classes walked around at similar weight to each other.

I get what you're saying about them not being proper WW's. However, Diaz did look big inbetween that fight - that picture of him, Diaz sr and Liddell, he looks almost the same size as the other two. But he's also tall and has a bigger frame. He said he was 173 on fight night which I don't believe. I think he was about 180. That's always being part of fighting as well, trying to get down to a weight class via cutting as much weight as you can.

As for Conor I'd have assumed he trained at his walk around weight and just didn't cut any weight. He looked a bit leaner for the second fight and put a bit more emphasis on his diet and cardio. Yeah, I'd agree he'll most likely be the same weight fight night at 155. Forgetting all the folk who are guessing what weight Conor walks around at and from Conor's mouth he talked about being roughly 165 for the Diaz fight, which I think Kavanagh repeated as well.

But Lockhart being his nutritionist and ex fighter himself, said way back that Conor could fight at 170, but he'd need to take time out to build up muscle so he could compete with a proper WW. Diaz is probably a bit over sized for LW, but not strong enough for 170. Conor is an over sized FW who is probably going to be one of the smaller LWs and like Diaz would probably benefit from there being open weight classes, but that's not going to happen.
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Oh I've enjoyed the read I got what you were saying no problem from me.

At first I didn't knew how serious you are about the subject so I didn't want to waste much time on it, usually I'm dealing with Conor fans that are total casuals when it comes to weight cutting and size of fighters and they just tell me to look at the weight ins result and that's that XD buy you seem to be into this so I will have a proper response for you, be warn I tend to be long sometimes. XD

I think Conor at first wasn't this expert when it comes to weight cutting since most of the fighters that aren't ex wrestlers don't ever have massive contact with weight cutting and even some of those don't do it the best way possible but they do have experience and get the job done in the end they make the weight one way or another.

Conor is a huge FW if we think about it not just lbs wise but a combination of factors he is huge from the overall stats like height, reach, lbs, frame wise etc everything and keep in mind he doesn't have any extra muscle mass like others (Mendes) or any extra fat when he is on FW he is the smallest possible version of himself and he had a bunch of weight cuts that were kinda in the limit he look like he lost 25+ lbs and didn't necessary do it the correct way.. I think he got a hang of it in the end but with age and those type of severe weight cuts at a base of 145 lbs % wise it's to much to do it on a regular and when the opportunity for him to go up make more money, get more fame, have a safety net with the lower division, it was clearly the choice to make and he run with it to the best of his abilities.

Then the all WW scale drama happen when Diaz was only trying to secure a better deal for himself (rumor is he negotiated his contract the first time around with a way bigger purse for all his remaining fights) and was playing "the game" with "alright today it's LW tomorrow it's 165 lbs cause I'm going out and I will eat up since I don't have a fight scheduled" and the time frame was what 10-11 days or so they brain stormed and decided screw it let's make it WW so like this the weight cut it's irrelevant we can eat what ever we like, Diaz lost some power of his negotiating, Conor can even set up his potential WW territory (remember the ideal plan he had 3 belts and KO'ing Lawler).. but in reality Conor ain't anywhere close to a real WW fighter in fact can you imagine him going up hardcore grapplers from that division ? the man has problems with a small guy in Mendes with extra muscle on him that could make freaking 135 if he dropped some muscle mass and he was having his way with him using his wrestling until the gas happened, so no way he doesn't anything relevant to WW big strong grapplers and I think he learn a thing or two about size and he learn it from a Diaz bro a fighter that doesn't even set up his game on physicality, strength, size etc like others.

I don't think Conor can be smaller then 165 for his fights in FW what is he 160 or high 150's ? you really think he gets that low I don't.

So it would be only natural to be way heavier if you are scheduled to fight at 170 lbs scale with a very little cut, even that Brendon Schaub guy on his podcast said he met up with Conor and he said he was 177 lbs like 2 weeks out of the fight when he asked him in a private diner or wtf they were doing.

Yea he was walking around in the high 170's 2 weeks out from his fight and he was free to eat good and not be super restrictive this wasn't going to be a problem just skip a meal, take a shit, do a workout, 45 minutes in the sauna or so and you lose those extra pounds while smiling and joking around this is the same guy that was doing huge 25 lbs cuts at a much lower base % wise.

As for Nate first time around he was using the weight as a negotiation tactic more then anything and the second time they started talking weight when Conor used that point with the media and his fans and casuals to point out why he lost at how big of a fighter Nate is and what a hard mountain to climb this will be so to say, so Nate in response also started talking about it at first kidding around that yea he such a monster 200 lbs then at the end of it probably downplaying it a bit, I don't believe he was indeed like he said low to mid 170's on fight night in fact I think he has low 180's the first fight and around the same for the second fight as well low to mid most likely while Conor was 177-178 first time and a bit smaller the second time 172-173 that only accentuated the difference between them more.

And let's not bring in the walk around weights when even Conor can be 180 (with all this WW scale scheduled fights) and Nate I'm sure he was 190s but it's different to in fight shape / fight night weights when you are lower.

Anyway we are speculating as fuck here cause we need to be the ones putting them on a scale to know precisely was up with both of them but I'm telling all this fights weren't decided by who had 10 lbs on who.. it's bull crap Diaz bros aren't fighters that use the size and bully you with wrestling and superior strength in fact p4p most likely Conor is stronger then lanky ass Nate.

Both of them will look and perform better in the LW division when they need to watch the diet just a bit more seriously and do a proper weight cut double digits.. when you know you have to lose 15-20 lbs it won't be the same like before you will be serious and it will be different then the more "hey yea that 170 scale so scary" both of them can do that shit most likely and be on weight in 24 hours while if you put them in LW I'm sure that process is a lot longer maybe even a week of strict dieting, starving almost, a serious water cut and all that stuff it comes with serious big weight cuts.

And you mention Rumble yea that dude was young and wanted to give himself every possible advantage so he went and did those stupid weight cuts he was having a bad time just maintaining his weight in between fight he was what ? 210~215 lbs walk around weight and he was fighting at ~200 lbs at WW witch is some serious cut the man did a double digit water cut, I can't even imagine his fight week routine to even try to get down it must have been hell. Just to put things in perspective he said he is walking around now at 235 lbs and he is probably fighting at 225 lbs on fight night he is still doing big cuts 18-20 lbs but to a much larger base of 205 lbs so % wise it's way easier.

Another confusion people make it's like that RDA example "yea I'm going from 190 to fight at LW 155" alright when he says that he means that his walk around weight when he isn't booked for a fight the man isn't walking in at 190 inside the cage at fight night it doesn't work like that you would need to be total freak to pull that off and I'm telling you the human body can't handle that shit on a regular, 2-3 fights a year nope it will fail on you.

So with my experience what exactly RDA is doing, 190 walk around weight.

You start doing the running routine and cleaning your diet and getting down in weight recovery that lost cardio.

Fight is signed, booked and you have a date on the calendar and you plan out your training camp and depends on the time you have it can be a 8 week to 10 week to even 12 week or more training camp but you do start working on that cardio and getting down in weight.

Ideal it will be to reach your fight night weight a few weeks out, so let's say you are on your normal weight 4-5-6 weeks left till you fight night and for him it should be around 175 lbs max 180 but I'm not sure he reaches that mark so most likely high 170's is the most for him.

So he reached that point and has been training and sparring at his fight night weight for a few weeks now and he will enter fight week when all serious training stops and it's all promotion, interviews, press conferences and weight cutting.

The point we are interested here is weight cutting so the main idea here is to get as low as possible before having to do the big water cut for the weigh ins and so you start by eating less and less each day, strictly the essentials and then you enter those 48 important hours (big weight cutters cut little by little and drain themselves a lot), there are different strategies they use for weight cutting, some use the stay in the bath with salt and covered in towels strategy, others use the plastic bag on a treadmill, that "Dolce" weight cut when they mess up with your water retention and you piss out every 3 fucking ours or wtf he had Chael doing or the good old sauna when you do sessions and check your weight after each of them until you are on point (we even had dudes that used diuretics so you shit out all the water, or even removal of blood, or some even more old school bro sciences shit like stand on your head before the weight ins and the scale will say 1-2 less lbs just ask Bas about that shit) etc a lot of strange stuff in the world of weight cutting and you do what ever works best for you, what you are most comfortable and used to and what ever is easier but you make that weight.

So the water cur for RDA isn't straight up doing a 20-22 lbs water cut (removes water from the body to be on the official scale) it's more like 12-14 or so lbs split in sessions because the rest was dieted down all week long and shitted out to the extreme.

Then after you start to put water slowly back in your body the sweet drink will be like a luxury and you eat up, load up on carbs, take a trucking shower it's the best feeling in the world at this point you used to have 30 or so hours to regain your lbs back at best your body will allow you and now they change the hour so you have like 36-38 hours.

So you see RDA can say "yea from 190 to 155" but in reality he is more like 175-177 lbs on fight night when he is fighting in the LW division. Same like how Tony Ferguson claimed some huge size but if you put him / them on a scale on fight night I will bet you anything that they aren't what they claimed earlier but it sure does looks great to casuals, to his opponents ('wow he so big, I need to get big to' .. maybe even messed with them mentally and psychically if he isn't comfortable cutting more) and human nature to up play your accomplishment and get more respect, attention, possible money when you negotiate with the cheap UFC guys and so forth people that are around that world will tell you this is the way it happens.
 
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One MMA Fan said:
Oh I've enjoyed the read I got what you were saying no problem from me.

At first I didn't knew how serious you are about the subject so I didn't want to waste much time on it, usually I'm dealing with Conor fans that are total casuals when it comes to weight cutting and size of fighters and they just tell me to look at the weight ins result and that's that XD buy you seem to be into this so I will have a proper response for you, be warn I tend to be long sometimes. XD

I think Conor at first wasn't this expert when it comes to weight cutting since most of the fighters that aren't ex wrestlers don't ever had massive contact with weight cutting and even some of those don't do it the best way possible but they do have experience and get the job done in the end they make the weight one way or another.

Conor is a huge FW if we think about it not just lbs wise but a combination of factors he is huge from the overall stats like height, reach, lbs, frame wise etc everything and keep in mind he doesn't have any extra muscle mass like others (Mendes) or any extra fat when he is on FW he is the smallest possible version of himself and he had a bunch of weight cuts that were kinda in the limit he look like he lost 25+ lbs and didn't necessary do it the correct way.. I think he got a hang of it in the end but with age and those type of severe weight cuts at a base of 145 lbs % wise it's to much to do it on a regular and when the opportunity for him to go up make more money, get more fame, have a safety net with the lower division, it was clearly the choice to make and he run with it to the best of his abilities.

Then the all WW scale drama happen when Diaz was only trying to secure a better deal for himself (rumor is he negotiated his contract the first time around with a way bigger purse for all his remaining fights) and was playing "the game" with "alright today it's LW tomorrow it's 165 lbs cause I'm going out and I will eat up since I don't have a fight scheduled" and the time frame was what 10-11 days or so they brain stormed and decided screw it let's make it WW so like this the weight cut it's irrelevant we can eat what ever we like, Diaz lost some power of his negotiating, Conor can even set up his potential WW territory (remember the ideal plan he had 3 belts and KO'ing Lawler).. but in reality Conor ain't anywhere close to a real WW fighter in fact can you imagine him going up hardcore grapplers from that division ? the man has problems with a small guy in Mendes with extra muscle on him that could make freaking 135 if he dropped some muscle mass and he was having his way with him using his wrestling until the gas happened, so no way he doesn't anything relevant to WW big strong grapplers and I think he learn a thing or two about size and he learn it from a Diaz bro a fighter that doesn't even set up his game on physicality, strength, size etc like others.

I don't think Conor can be smaller then 165 for his fights in FW what is he 160 or high 150's ? you really think he gets that low I don't.

So it would be only natural to be way heavier if you are scheduled to fight at 170 lbs scale with a very little cut, even that Brendon Schaub guy on his podcast said he met up with Conor and he said he was 177 lbs like 2 weeks out of the fight when he asked him in a private diner or wtf they were doing.

Yea he was walking around in the high 170's 2 weeks out from his fight and he was free to eat good and not be super restrictive this wasn't going to be a problem just skip a meal, take a shit, do a workout, 45 minutes in the sauna or so and you lose those extra pounds while smiling and joking around this is the same guy that was doing huge 25 lbs cuts at a much lower base % wise.

As for Nate first time around he was using the weight as a negotiation tactic more then anything and the second time they started talking weight when Conor used that point with the media and his fans and casuals to point out why he lost at how big of a fighter Nate is and what a hard mountain to climb this will be so to say, so Nate in response also started talking about it at first kidding around that yea he such a monster 200 lbs then at the end of it probably downplaying it a bit, I don't believe he was indeed like he said low to mid 170's on fight night in fact I think he has low 180's the first fight and around the same for the second fight as well low to mid most likely while Conor was 177-178 first time and a bit smaller the second time 172-173 that only accentuated the difference between them more.

And let's not bring in the walk around weights when even Conor can be 180 (with all this WW scale scheduled fights) and Nate I'm sure he was 190s but it's different to in fight shape / fight night weights when you are lower.

Anyway we are speculating as fuck here cause we need to be the ones putting them on a scale to know precisely was up with both of them but I'm telling all this fights weren't decided by who had 10 lbs on who.. it's bull crap Diaz bros aren't fighters that use the size and bully you with wrestling and superior strength in fact p4p most likely Conor is stronger then lanky ass Nate.

Both of them will look and perform better in the LW division when they need to watch the diet just a bit more seriously and do a proper weight cut double digits.. when you know you have to lose 15-20 lbs it won't be the same like before you will be serious and it will be different then the more "hey yea that 170 scale so scary" both of them can do that shit most likely and be on weight in 24 hours while if you put them in LW I'm sure that process is a lot longer maybe even a week of strict dieting, starving almost, a serious water cut and all that stuff it comes with serious big weight cuts.

And you mention Rumble yea that dude was young and wanted to give himself every possible advantage so he went and did those stupid weight cuts he was having a bad time just maintaining his weight in between fight he was what ? 210~215 lbs walk around weight and he was fighting at ~200 lbs at WW witch is some serious cut the man did a double digit water cut, I can't even imagine his fight week routine to even try to get down it must have been hell. Just to put things in perspective he said he is walking around now at 235 lbs and he is probably fighting at 225 lbs on fight night he is still doing big cuts 18-20 lbs but to a much larger base of 205 lbs so % wise it's way easier.

Another confusion people make it's like that RDA example "yea I'm going from 190 to fight at LW 155" alright when he says that he means that his walk around weight when he isn't booked for a fight the man isn't walking in at 190 inside the cage at fight night it doesn't work like that you would need to be total freak to pull that off and I'm telling you the human body can't handle that shit on a regular, 2-3 fights a year nope it will fail on you.

So with my experience what exactly RDA is doing, 190 walk around weight.

You start doing the running routine and cleaning your diet and getting down in weight recovery that lost cardio.

Fight is signed, booked and you have a date on the calendar and you plan out your training camp and depends on the time you have it can be a 8 week to 10 week to even 12 week or more training camp but you do start working on that cardio and getting down in weight.

Ideal it will be to reach your fight night weight a few weeks out, so let's say you are on your normal weight 4-5-6 weeks left till you fight night and for him it should be around 175 lbs max 180 but I'm not sure he reaches that mark so most likely high 170's is the most for him.

So he reached that point and has been training and sparring at his fight night weight for a few weeks now and he will enter fight week when all serious training stops and it's all promotion, interviews, press conferences and weight cutting.

The point we are interested here is weight cutting so the main idea here is to get as low as possible before having to do the big water cut for the weigh ins and so you start by eating less and less each day, strictly the essentials and then you enter those 48 important hours (big weight cutters cut little by little and drain themselves a lot), there are different strategies they use for weight cutting, some use the stay in the bath with salt and covered in towels strategy, others use the plastic bag on a treadmill, that "Dolce" weight cut when they mess up with your water retention and you piss out every 3 fucking ours or wtf he had Chael doing or the good old sauna when you do sessions and check your weight after each of them until you are on point (we even had dudes that used diuretics so you shit out all the water, or even removal of blood, or some even more old school bro sciences shit like stand on your head before the weight ins and the scale will say 1-2 less lbs just ask Bas about that shit) etc a lot of strange stuff in the world of weight cutting and you do what ever works best for you, what you are most comfortable and used to and what ever is easier but you make that weight.

So the water cur for RDA isn't straight up doing a 20-22 lbs water cut (removes water from the body to be on the official scale) it's more like 12-14 or so lbs split in sessions because the rest was dieted down all week long and shitted out to the extreme.

Then after you start to put water slowly back in your body the sweet drink will be like a luxury and you eat up, load up on carbs, take a trucking shower it's the best feeling in the world at this point you used to have 30 or so hours to regain your lbs back at best your body will allow you and now they change the hour so you have like 36-38 hours.

So you see RDA can say "yea from 190 to 155" but in reality he is more like 175-177 lbs on fight night when he is fighting in the LW division. Same like how Tony Ferguson claimed some huge size but if you put him / them on a scale on fight night I will bet you anything that they aren't what they claimed earlier but it sure does looks great to casuals, to his opponents ('wow he so big, I need to get big to' .. maybe even messed with them mentally and psychically if he isn't comfortable cutting more) and human nature to up play your accomplishment and get more respect, attention, possible money when you negotiate with the cheap UFC guys and so forth people that are around that world will tell you this is the way it happens.
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....holy dick fuck. You need a break now. Go get some water and stretch your arms.
 
One MMA Fan said:
Oh I've enjoyed the read I got what you were saying no problem from me.

At first I didn't knew how serious you are about the subject so I didn't want to waste much time on it, usually I'm dealing with Conor fans that are total casuals when it comes to weight cutting and size of fighters and they just tell me to look at the weight ins result and that's that XD buy you seem to be into this so I will have a proper response for you, be warn I tend to be long sometimes. XD

I think Conor at first wasn't this expert when it comes to weight cutting since most of the fighters that aren't ex wrestlers don't ever have massive contact with weight cutting and even some of those don't do it the best way possible but they do have experience and get the job done in the end they make the weight one way or another.

Conor is a huge FW if we think about it not just lbs wise but a combination of factors he is huge from the overall stats like height, reach, lbs, frame wise etc everything and keep in mind he doesn't have any extra muscle mass like others (Mendes) or any extra fat when he is on FW he is the smallest possible version of himself and he had a bunch of weight cuts that were kinda in the limit he look like he lost 25+ lbs and didn't necessary do it the correct way.. I think he got a hang of it in the end but with age and those type of severe weight cuts at a base of 145 lbs % wise it's to much to do it on a regular and when the opportunity for him to go up make more money, get more fame, have a safety net with the lower division, it was clearly the choice to make and he run with it to the best of his abilities.

Then the all WW scale drama happen when Diaz was only trying to secure a better deal for himself (rumor is he negotiated his contract the first time around with a way bigger purse for all his remaining fights) and was playing "the game" with "alright today it's LW tomorrow it's 165 lbs cause I'm going out and I will eat up since I don't have a fight scheduled" and the time frame was what 10-11 days or so they brain stormed and decided screw it let's make it WW so like this the weight cut it's irrelevant we can eat what ever we like, Diaz lost some power of his negotiating, Conor can even set up his potential WW territory (remember the ideal plan he had 3 belts and KO'ing Lawler).. but in reality Conor ain't anywhere close to a real WW fighter in fact can you imagine him going up hardcore grapplers from that division ? the man has problems with a small guy in Mendes with extra muscle on him that could make freaking 135 if he dropped some muscle mass and he was having his way with him using his wrestling until the gas happened, so no way he doesn't anything relevant to WW big strong grapplers and I think he learn a thing or two about size and he learn it from a Diaz bro a fighter that doesn't even set up his game on physicality, strength, size etc like others.

I don't think Conor can be smaller then 165 for his fights in FW what is he 160 or high 150's ? you really think he gets that low I don't.

So it would be only natural to be way heavier if you are scheduled to fight at 170 lbs scale with a very little cut, even that Brendon Schaub guy on his podcast said he met up with Conor and he said he was 177 lbs like 2 weeks out of the fight when he asked him in a private diner or wtf they were doing.

Yea he was walking around in the high 170's 2 weeks out from his fight and he was free to eat good and not be super restrictive this wasn't going to be a problem just skip a meal, take a shit, do a workout, 45 minutes in the sauna or so and you lose those extra pounds while smiling and joking around this is the same guy that was doing huge 25 lbs cuts at a much lower base % wise.

As for Nate first time around he was using the weight as a negotiation tactic more then anything and the second time they started talking weight when Conor used that point with the media and his fans and casuals to point out why he lost at how big of a fighter Nate is and what a hard mountain to climb this will be so to say, so Nate in response also started talking about it at first kidding around that yea he such a monster 200 lbs then at the end of it probably downplaying it a bit, I don't believe he was indeed like he said low to mid 170's on fight night in fact I think he has low 180's the first fight and around the same for the second fight as well low to mid most likely while Conor was 177-178 first time and a bit smaller the second time 172-173 that only accentuated the difference between them more.

And let's not bring in the walk around weights when even Conor can be 180 (with all this WW scale scheduled fights) and Nate I'm sure he was 190s but it's different to in fight shape / fight night weights when you are lower.

Anyway we are speculating as fuck here cause we need to be the ones putting them on a scale to know precisely was up with both of them but I'm telling all this fights weren't decided by who had 10 lbs on who.. it's bull crap Diaz bros aren't fighters that use the size and bully you with wrestling and superior strength in fact p4p most likely Conor is stronger then lanky ass Nate.

Both of them will look and perform better in the LW division when they need to watch the diet just a bit more seriously and do a proper weight cut double digits.. when you know you have to lose 15-20 lbs it won't be the same like before you will be serious and it will be different then the more "hey yea that 170 scale so scary" both of them can do that shit most likely and be on weight in 24 hours while if you put them in LW I'm sure that process is a lot longer maybe even a week of strict dieting, starving almost, a serious water cut and all that stuff it comes with serious big weight cuts.

And you mention Rumble yea that dude was young and wanted to give himself every possible advantage so he went and did those stupid weight cuts he was having a bad time just maintaining his weight in between fight he was what ? 210~215 lbs walk around weight and he was fighting at ~200 lbs at WW witch is some serious cut the man did a double digit water cut, I can't even imagine his fight week routine to even try to get down it must have been hell. Just to put things in perspective he said he is walking around now at 235 lbs and he is probably fighting at 225 lbs on fight night he is still doing big cuts 18-20 lbs but to a much larger base of 205 lbs so % wise it's way easier.

Another confusion people make it's like that RDA example "yea I'm going from 190 to fight at LW 155" alright when he says that he means that his walk around weight when he isn't booked for a fight the man isn't walking in at 190 inside the cage at fight night it doesn't work like that you would need to be total freak to pull that off and I'm telling you the human body can't handle that shit on a regular, 2-3 fights a year nope it will fail on you.

So with my experience what exactly RDA is doing, 190 walk around weight.

You start doing the running routine and cleaning your diet and getting down in weight recovery that lost cardio.

Fight is signed, booked and you have a date on the calendar and you plan out your training camp and depends on the time you have it can be a 8 week to 10 week to even 12 week or more training camp but you do start working on that cardio and getting down in weight.

Ideal it will be to reach your fight night weight a few weeks out, so let's say you are on your normal weight 4-5-6 weeks left till you fight night and for him it should be around 175 lbs max 180 but I'm not sure he reaches that mark so most likely high 170's is the most for him.

So he reached that point and has been training and sparring at his fight night weight for a few weeks now and he will enter fight week when all serious training stops and it's all promotion, interviews, press conferences and weight cutting.

The point we are interested here is weight cutting so the main idea here is to get as low as possible before having to do the big water cut for the weigh ins and so you start by eating less and less each day, strictly the essentials and then you enter those 48 important hours (big weight cutters cut little by little and drain themselves a lot), there are different strategies they use for weight cutting, some use the stay in the bath with salt and covered in towels strategy, others use the plastic bag on a treadmill, that "Dolce" weight cut when they mess up with your water retention and you piss out every 3 fucking ours or wtf he had Chael doing or the good old sauna when you do sessions and check your weight after each of them until you are on point (we even had dudes that used diuretics so you shit out all the water, or even removal of blood, or some even more old school bro sciences shit like stand on your head before the weight ins and the scale will say 1-2 less lbs just ask Bas about that shit) etc a lot of strange stuff in the world of weight cutting and you do what ever works best for you, what you are most comfortable and used to and what ever is easier but you make that weight.

So the water cur for RDA isn't straight up doing a 20-22 lbs water cut (removes water from the body to be on the official scale) it's more like 12-14 or so lbs split in sessions because the rest was dieted down all week long and shitted out to the extreme.

Then after you start to put water slowly back in your body the sweet drink will be like a luxury and you eat up, load up on carbs, take a trucking shower it's the best feeling in the world at this point you used to have 30 or so hours to regain your lbs back at best your body will allow you and now they change the hour so you have like 36-38 hours.

So you see RDA can say "yea from 190 to 155" but in reality he is more like 175-177 lbs on fight night when he is fighting in the LW division. Same like how Tony Ferguson claimed some huge size but if you put him / them on a scale on fight night I will bet you anything that they aren't what they claimed earlier but it sure does looks great to casuals, to his opponents ('wow he so big, I need to get big to' .. maybe even messed with them mentally and psychically if he isn't comfortable cutting more) and human nature to up play your accomplishment and get more respect, attention, possible money when you negotiate with the cheap UFC guys and so forth people that are around that world will tell you this is the way it happens.
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You could do with adding some headings and chapters to this. :p

But I appreciate your effort.
 
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