Media Conor McGregor has been working on his Boxing

[checktheknuckles]

Best boxer in MMA hands down.

 

[froggyluv]

I respect any man who comes back to fighting even though they are generationally wealthy. But his best days are past him

Normally I would but this guy is just all ego. He only wants to come back to somehow cement a stronger legacy as "The Best" because thats the one thing money cant buy

 

[Iroh]

His boxing is the best we’ve ever seen in mma. I say this as a long time boxing fan and former amateur boxer. He’s the only mma fighter I’ve seen with the correct technique and fundamentals. He’s had so much success literally because of his boxing dummy.

People are getting confused here.

People saying his boxing technique was great are viewing it through the prism of boxing in MMA and padwork. That's not boxing. People saying his boxing is shit are viewing it through the prism of pure boxing where takedowns and kicks aren't factors. That may be true but it also isn't useful to MMA.

The accurate thing to say is Conor, for a time, did very well at executing MMA striking which included crisp hands and staying on his feet, not boxing, per se.

Whether or not he has good boxing technique for boxing purposes is irrelevant because his technique has to be useful for MMA, not the ring.

Yes, but that's all arts. But people aren't calling wrestlers shit, generally, just by comparing their wrestling with what they see in ammy rasslin'.

However, lot of boxing fans actually believe though that you could use basically all of boxing in MMA, people are just not good enough to implement the techniques. Obviously these people don't understand MMA.

And also, is the athlete that has the most fans view him throigh a lense of emotion and they just want to shit on him as soon as they see the letter O after the letter C. It starts an itch with them just thinking about the possibility of seeing something that might be slightly related to Conor. These people will always put anything Conor related in the worst possible light, doesn't matter what kind of double atandards they need to employ.


Even if Conor heavily modified his stand up, he still is using MMA boxing when he uses his hands. Nobody actually uses strictly only pure boxing as their stand up in MMA, or they just don't go very far. At the very least, they will have to chance up how they approach the clinch.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

He tends to drop the roight hand a bit when delivering left hooks

#SherdogCoach

 

[JBJ was here]

Where's the "his comeback will never happen" option?

Unless you consider being destroyed by Mike Perry in BKFC a comeback.

 

[checktheknuckles]

His boxing is the best we’ve ever seen in mma. I say this as a long time boxing fan and former amateur boxer. He’s the only mma fighter I’ve seen with the correct technique and fundamentals. He’s had so much success literally because of his boxing dummy.

Conors boxing is terrible. Its trash. If his boxing so good, why his footwork so trash? Why the fuck he keeps getting out boxed by these other scrubs?

 

[Tom B]

Sorry, that wasn't "boxing" at all.

When Connor won those fights, he was in his "free-floating, wide-stanced (hopping-back-and-forth) 'karateka' motif" in both.

A completely different stance from what he had with the last two Poirier fights. Literally night and day.

If you can't see the difference, then you should never make another post again.

Very true. The boxing training has regressed his hands in MMA no end

 

[Myrddin Wild]

My main concern is teh synthetic fiberz in his shirt leaching into his skin & turning him into a mutant. Can we please get him another fight so he can afford a more high quality cotton?

 

[herpd807]

Normally I would but this guy is just all ego. He only wants to come back to somehow cement a stronger legacy as "The Best" because thats the one thing money cant buy

If you had his net worth, why on Earth would you care about legacy and risk permanent injury when you can just brag to how you "beat the game" made more money then the next guy and sail off into the sunset?



This person doesn't need legacy. He's been the champ and the largest PPV draw during his day. Maybe he craves the attention? But he doesn't need to fight. He does it because he loves it, and I can respect that.

 

[Poatan Power]

Yes, but that's all arts. But people aren't calling wrestlers shit, generally, just by comparing their wrestling with what they see in ammy rasslin'.

However, lot of boxing fans actually believe though that you could use basically all of boxing in MMA, people are just not good enough to implement the techniques. Obviously these people don't understand MMA.

And also, is the athlete that has the most fans view him throigh a lense of emotion and they just want to shit on him as soon as they see the letter O after the letter C. It starts an itch with them just thinking about the possibility of seeing something that might be slightly related to Conor. These people will always put anything Conor related in the worst possible light, doesn't matter what kind of double atandards they need to employ.


Even if Conor heavily modified his stand up, he still is using MMA boxing when he uses his hands. Nobody actually uses strictly only pure boxing as their stand up in MMA, or they just don't go very far. At the very least, they will have to chance up how they approach the clinch.

I don't disagree with your post, however, I would contend that people typically have a higher propensity to comment on boxing/striking more confidently than grappling because they know fuck all about grappling but think they know more about striking, given its appearance to be more simple.

For example, IronGolem boxed I believe he said in the 80's/90's. So when he is commenting on Conor's boxing, he is not commenting in the same language that myself (Muay Thai) or a standard fan is commenting on when using the term boxing, which was my point. Even what Conor does on the pads is significantly different than the positions/footwork he may use in the cage because pads aren't 190-200 lb grappling/striking machines.

 

[froggyluv]

If you had his net worth, why on Earth would you care about legacy and risk permanent injury when you can just brag to how you "beat the game" made more money then the next guy and sail off into the sunset?

View attachment 1013994

This person doesn't need legacy. He's been the champ and the largest PPV draw during his day. Maybe he craves the attention? But he doesn't need to fight. He does it because he loves it, and I can respect that.

Oh yeah because rich guys dont crave admiration... Conor has become more of a meme than anything else and he's not really thought of as a great fighter anymore. All fighters crave legacy - think about Floyd Mayweather -he has more bank than any of these clowns yet he was very careful not to upset his 50-0. conor already had some defeats which doesnt disqualify him from having great legacy, but everything about the guy puffing his chest out every where he goes, punching old guys in the bar who dont/wont respect him really really irritates his insecurity.

 

[JKS]

That's probably not true. He spent a lot of time and energy promoting and training for a boxing fight.

He suffered a loss against a smaller older Floyd, with the psychological impact that carries with it.

He earned a ahitload of money, maybe this was the payday that got him to fuck you money status. Without that, he'd likely grinding away in mma for more big pay days.

He narrowed his training to just boxing for the fight and this boxing xentred training approach seems to have continued after the fight. This boxing style definitely seems less effective than his previous karate based style.

He learned he can make huge money as a boxer. The temptation to do this again probably dilutes his motivation to fight mma.

The issue is that he's had 4 fights since Floyd. The Cowboy fight was a gimme. But the other three that he lost, he likely would have lost either way. I don't care what form if he comes in, he wasn't beating Khabib. And Poirier, tough style match up for him vs a much improved fighter.

Was Conor the same fighter after Floyd?? Who knows, I can't disagree he lost some hunger. But I think he loses those fights either way.

 

[herpd807]

Oh yeah because rich guys dont crave admiration... Conor has become more of a meme than anything else and he's not really thought of as a great fighter anymore. All fighters crave legacy - think about Floyd Mayweather -he has more bank than any of these clowns yet he was very careful not to upset his 50-0. conor already had some defeats which doesnt disqualify him from having great legacy, but everything about the guy puffing his chest out every where he goes, punching old guys in the bar who dont/wont respect him really really irritates his insecurity.

But you'll still buy the PPV?

I know I will. Because we both know the lead up will be a circus which is what draws PPV buys.

 

[drbolony]

Probably the most financially successful one armed boxer in the history of the sport, and with 0 wins at that. Impressive.

 

[markg171]

The issue is that he's had 4 fights since Floyd. The Cowboy fight was a gimme

And he almost lost it with a giant CM Punk opening shot that Cowboy obviously dunked under.

Dunno how you can't see the regression in trying something like that, as well as missing it by how badly he did. It was a quick 40 second KO overall yes, but wow he lucked out that that wasn't an immediate TD and he didn't spend the round on his back.

He did something similar against Mendes by opening their fight with a flying knee which Mendes took him down off of, but there he escaped back to his feet on his own and legitimately earned his way back up. This was just Cowboy luckily fucked up his TD attempt whereas a guy like GSP, Chris, or DJ would've had the perfect TD setup.

But the other three that he lost, he likely would have lost either way. I don't care what form if he comes in, he wasn't beating Khabib

I agree he'd have most likely lost, but I disagree about 100% losing.
- Opening shot was a flying knee that was an inch away from KOing Khabib. It still hit him in his clavicle and stopped him dead in his tracks as is
- First round otherwise was relatively uneventful where Conor showed he could keep Khabib from advancing and was defending well.
- 2nd round went so poorly because nobody expected the early KD, least of all Khabib. Conor legitimately defended the kimura no matter how many people complain about the illegal knee which occurred a a full 30 seconds before Khabib actually cranked it. The kimura failed because Conor was blocking Khabib from stepping over his head for leverage, exactly as he needed to. That's proper defence by Conor. And Conor still escaped back to his feet with 1 minute left and stalled him out
- 3rd round Conor won. No Khabib didn't take it off or take it easy. He attempted his most TDs all fight, Conor just defended them and forced a standup fight where he was better. Say it was close all you want, it's still a round for Conor. If he does that again for rounds 4-5 and it's a draw, let alone if he'd widened things by scoring a 10-8 of his own which would've given him the decision.
- Round 4 Conor was winning the standup before the TD, perhaps even landing his best shot all fight but Khabib does have an iron chin. After the TD he escaped full mount by Khabib before Khabib transitioned into the eventual sub.

It was always a bad stylistic matchup but Conor did do the best of anybody against Khabib barring Tibau. He legitimately does have the most interesting combination of great striking and good defensive grappling of anybody Khabib fought and it showed. And it would've been a lot more interesting without the 2 year layoff and Floyd fight in between. Eddie Conor, which mind you would've also been Johnson Khabib, would've been real nice to have seen.

It's a bad fight for Conor. But based on how it went and the circumstances it's not a 100% Khabib fight. It was his worst stylistic fight (to a good opponent as Tibau sucks) and appropriately showed as such by his first round lost (they Justin one is a travesty, that's just horrible judging). Conor is a great striker with good TDD and good defensive grappling and so it was always an interesting matchup whereas Poirier, Tony, and Justin had shit TDD or defensive grappling (or not even a clear striking advantage).

And Poirier, tough style match up for him vs a much improved fighter.

Poirier never improved (to be better). Conor regressed to be possibly worse.

Poirier himself say Conor flash KO'd him in the 1st with his left again but never followed up to finish him while he was hurt. There's another moment where Conor sends him stumbling back with his right in the 1st but again doesn't follow up as he was expecting that shot to KO Poirier and so had nothing lined up next.

3rd fight is just stupid to talk about as it's one of the biggest freak injuries in MMA. It wasn't some Weidman/Anderson 2, Conor just stepped back and his leg crumpled.

Conor's entire problem is that he's regressed into this guy looking for 1 shot KOs even though that's never been appropriate to his power level (even if he's 1 shotted guys like Aldo and Buchinger). He needs that combo, pressure heavy style he had before where shots were always comings. Guys weren't kidding when they said they had no idea what he hit them with: he was a master at hitting them while they were still reacting to the previous shot.

Peak Conor was the shit he was landing on Brimage:

Nothing was full power, nothing was full accuracy, but they just kept coming and Brimage crumpled eventually. THAT's Conor's best style. He has good+ power, great accuracy, and great timing. Combined together and it stops a lot of guys. He abandoned it for this big 1 shot based style where guys just instead recover, exactly as Poirier said he did.

 

[MileHigher]

We're not talking about his record, the topic is more about Conor and his stance and striking approach in mma. The Floyd fight doesn't have anything to do with his record, he'd have the same record regardless if he fought him or not.

How can you say that putting MMA aside for a long period of time for a different sport had no impact on his record? The fact is ever since then he’s a different style of fighter. His style and striking approach changed. He’s not the same. And it’s not a change for the better…

 

[JKS]

How can you say that putting MMA aside for a long period of time for a different sport had no impact on his record? The fact is ever since then he’s a different style of fighter. His style and striking approach changed. He’s not the same. And it’s not a change for the better…

Stop it lol, he took one fight off in between to fight Floyd, it's like he took 3 years off. It's one training camp, he took off around 4 months and was right back to mma.

And to my original point, he's not a different style off fighter. If people actually watch his fights they would see the only fight he changed his style and went boxing heavy was for Poirier, which was more strategic for MMA then him actually changing his style as a result of going to boxing for a few months. The third Poirier fight he was back to his original wide stance style with focus on kicks. Watch the fight...



Look at his stance, look how heavy he went on kicks. Different style and fighter?? I don't think so.

 

[JKS]

And he almost lost it with a giant CM Punk opening shot that Cowboy obviously dunked under.

Dunno how you can't see the regression in trying something like that, as well as missing it by how badly he did. It was a quick 40 second KO overall yes, but wow he lucked out that that wasn't an immediate TD and he didn't spend the round on his back.

He did something similar against Mendes by opening their fight with a flying knee which Mendes took him down off of, but there he escaped back to his feet on his own and legitimately earned his way back up. This was just Cowboy luckily fucked up his TD attempt whereas a guy like GSP, Chris, or DJ would've had the perfect TD setup.

I agree he'd have most likely lost, but I disagree about 100% losing.
- Opening shot was a flying knee that was an inch away from KOing Khabib. It still hit him in his clavicle and stopped him dead in his tracks as is
- First round otherwise was relatively uneventful where Conor showed he could keep Khabib from advancing and was defending well.
- 2nd round went so poorly because nobody expected the early KD, least of all Khabib. Conor legitimately defended the kimura no matter how many people complain about the illegal knee which occurred a a full 30 seconds before Khabib actually cranked it. The kimura failed because Conor was blocking Khabib from stepping over his head for leverage, exactly as he needed to. That's proper defence by Conor. And Conor still escaped back to his feet with 1 minute left and stalled him out
- 3rd round Conor won. No Khabib didn't take it off or take it easy. He attempted his most TDs all fight, Conor just defended them and forced a standup fight where he was better. Say it was close all you want, it's still a round for Conor. If he does that again for rounds 4-5 and it's a draw, let alone if he'd widened things by scoring a 10-8 of his own which would've given him the decision.
- Round 4 Conor was winning the standup before the TD, perhaps even landing his best shot all fight but Khabib does have an iron chin. After the TD he escaped full mount by Khabib before Khabib transitioned into the eventual sub.

It was always a bad stylistic matchup but Conor did do the best of anybody against Khabib barring Tibau. He legitimately does have the most interesting combination of great striking and good defensive grappling of anybody Khabib fought and it showed. And it would've been a lot more interesting without the 2 year layoff and Floyd fight in between. Eddie Conor, which mind you would've also been Johnson Khabib, would've been real nice to have seen.

It's a bad fight for Conor. But based on how it went and the circumstances it's not a 100% Khabib fight. It was his worst stylistic fight (to a good opponent as Tibau sucks) and appropriately showed as such by his first round lost (they Justin one is a travesty, that's just horrible judging). Conor is a great striker with good TDD and good defensive grappling and so it was always an interesting matchup whereas Poirier, Tony, and Justin had shit TDD or defensive grappling (or not even a clear striking advantage).

Poirier never improved (to be better). Conor regressed to be possibly worse.

Poirier himself say Conor flash KO'd him in the 1st with his left again but never followed up to finish him while he was hurt. There's another moment where Conor sends him stumbling back with his right in the 1st but again doesn't follow up as he was expecting that shot to KO Poirier and so had nothing lined up next.

3rd fight is just stupid to talk about as it's one of the biggest freak injuries in MMA. It wasn't some Weidman/Anderson 2, Conor just stepped back and his leg crumpled.

Conor's entire problem is that he's regressed into this guy looking for 1 shot KOs even though that's never been appropriate to his power level (even if he's 1 shotted guys like Aldo and Buchinger). He needs that combo, pressure heavy style he had before where shots were always comings. Guys weren't kidding when they said they had no idea what he hit them with: he was a master at hitting them while they were still reacting to the previous shot.

Peak Conor was the shit he was landing on Brimage:

Nothing was full power, nothing was full accuracy, but they just kept coming and Brimage crumpled eventually. THAT's Conor's best style. He has good+ power, great accuracy, and great timing. Combined together and it stops a lot of guys. He abandoned it for this big 1 shot based style where guys just instead recover, exactly as Poirier said he did.

That's a lot to read and comment on lol. I'm sure it's a lot of good points you make.

The only thing I wanna comment on is this idea that Conor somehow changed his style and went backwards. The 3rd Poirier fight, regardless of result shows that Conro was back to his old style. Lots of kicks, wide stance, pushing his opponent back to control the range and set up his hands with kicks. I posted the video above.

 

[CPH]

I tend to have sympathy for fighters who are getting old and dropping off, even if I disliked them before. But Conor is such a hardcore, unrepentant scumbag that I can only cheer for his opponent.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Thank you for proving my point about being the midwit on the bell curve.

View attachment 1013924

If we’re midwits then you are a low it on that same curve and top left on the Dunning Kruger chart.